Christianity: Stolen Kemetic Religion (Discussion/Debate)
Christianity: Stolen Kemetic Religion (Discussion/Debate)
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Frederick M Jones I did but i couldn't... Its ok though. It's refreshing. I just wish more of our people took the time out and studied. April 11 at 8:34pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu CLICK ON THE PICTURE ITSELF IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT: THANK YOU. April 11 at 8:35pm
Frederick M Jones Hey Shakka....Im studying the Book "who is this King of Glory" By alvin Boyd kuhn. what do you think? April 11 at 8:36pm · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu "The entire Christian Bible, creation legend, descent into and exodus from Egypt, ark and flood allegory, Israelite history, Hebrew prophesy and poetry, Gospel, Epistles and Revelation imagery, ALL ARE NOW PROVEN to have been the TRANSMISSION OF ANCIENT EGYPTS SCROLLS AND PAPYRI into the hands of later generations which knew neither their true origin nor their fathomless meaning"
Dr Alvin Boyd Kuhn PhD PhD Theosophy Columbia University April 11 at 8:38pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu That's what I think (smile). Got my copy in Trinidad 16 years ago. April 11 at 8:39pm
Frederick M Jones I wanted to pass it on to another Brother i know. Hopefully it will open his 3eye. April 11 at 8:40pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu I photocopied the entire book. I did it in a copyshop in the Caribbean. Imagine what that must've been like (smile). April 11 at 8:41pm
Frederick M Jones hey anyway you can get the info....its a must! April 11 at 8:41pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Unfortunately you're relying on the version of the osiris myth that the SATANIST BLAVATSKY subscribe to and you are not aware that there are at least five more versions which are earlier than the one which you have been taught http://www.egyptartsite.com/hormyth.html THIS IS THE SAME VERSION WHICH DEPICTS SET COMMITING A HOMOSEXUAL ACT UPON HORUS http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/egypt.htm Initially the gods Isis ,Osiris and Horus were independent of each other with no connections between their myths at all. http://egyptian-gods.org/the-religion-of-ancient-egypt/ But just as with the crooked preachers of today the myths were changed and the characters given new meanings and names.http://www.egyptiandreams.co.uk/isis.php The priest of Heilopolis were often changing the myths around either to satisfy the government as religion was state ran or to accomodate the comparitive historical nature of the myths. I.E. when one tribe conquered another the myth was changed to allow the gods of the defeated to become assimilated to the gods of the victors. Even with that being said if you study the specifics of the osiris myth it is no way,shape or form similar to the life of christ.http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Resurrection_of_Osiris.html The fact is that in some of the earliest versions osiris doent even get revived. April 11 at 9:06pm · Like
Anthon Sahura Farrington Mr.Johnson, Do you know the origins of what those satanists subscribe to? What exactly they believe? why they believe in it? What they are "hiding" from the masses? Do you understand the esoteric significance of the myths? The truth and relation to your own body? The relation of your body to the earth? To the universe? AS ABOVE, SO BELOW. <- if you do not understand this, you will not understand the Osirian myth, OR Christianity. Plain and simple. April 11 at 11:51pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin...I'm going to eat, take care of some business...and them I'm going to 'come and play'. In the mean time...I'll leave your assertions to those who would like to address them. April 12 at 12:17am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Excuse me brother anthon but i been understanding real good for quite some time. The statement "as above so below" is one that was used by H.P. Blavatsky http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/as_above_so_below_part1.htma known and self-proclaimed satanist,the article posted shows how in fact she uses it in the exact same manner as you do. This lady and i use the term loosley was also the inspiration for Hitlers "Final Solution" http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm this thinkinking came out of her teachings of Aryianism http://hubpages.com/hub/The_Aryan_race this is the same solution that was applied to our people as well. Hitler put our people in them camps also. Blavatsky is also the originator of the "Christ is a myth" theory which she lay's out in her book "Isis Unveiled". http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm I also understand that out of the many versions of the myths available she chooses one of the most recent and less original where set commits a homosexual act on horushttp://www.well.com/user/aquarius/egypt.htm These are gods of black people and she using the gay version! she was the also the person the come up with the seven series of planets doctrine that you follow http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html and i also understand that there were at least five different versions of the osirian myth, the earliest of which did not include isis or horus. http://egyptian-gods.org/the-religion-of-ancient-egypt/ I understand in the earliest forms of this myth osiris isnt revived because there is no isis component so he simply becomes the lord of the dead. http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Resurrection_of_Osiris.html I also understand that Blavatsky started the theosophical society as well as esoteric teachinghttp://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/exotericesoteric.html and it was nutured and care for by her student Alice A. Bailey another known satanist. I also understand that Budge,Massey and Wallis were also occultist with the latter two actually writing for her magazine the Luciferian http://gerald-massey.org.uk/massey/cpr_nature_of_the_christ_.htm and according to the white folks whose teachings you are following the devil is supposed to be our friendhttp://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/lucifer.htm Oh yeah i also undrstand that these satanist were all "WHITE PEOPLE" and that you are following the teaching of these satanist. Yeah my brother i understand plenty! DO YOU? April 12 at 2:09am
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin...please do not post again until I've had the opportunity to respond to that which you've already posted. I'm asking you to extend that to me as a common courtesy. Thank you. Once I've responded to your comments you may respond freely as you wish. I just don't want the dialogue to get too far gone before I can participate. You raise such juicy points i just wanted a chance to respond before the dialogue moves on. I'm sure you can appreciate that. April 12 at 2:15am
Shakka Ahmose Manu That is of course unless someone respond to you, then naturally I would expect you to answer your critic as I or anyone else would. April 12 at 2:17am
Anthon Sahura Farrington *Sigh* It's obvious from your answer you CLEARLY and COMPLETELY misunderstood what I was saying. *SMH* When did I say that I followed the Satanists? I asked if you understand where it came from, and it didn't start with Ms.Blavatsky whom you seem to be so fond of. And Esoterics are not satanism btw, because Christianity has it's own esoteric side. Also, As above, so below as I stated it, has NOTHING to do with what blavatsky is talking about. What is the relation between the Great Pyramids, Orion's (Ausar's) Belt, and your Brain? You need to make sure you understand before you go rambling off and posting links that go to nowhere. (Error 404 is not what you wanted me to see I believe?) April 12 at 2:23am
Anthon Sahura Farrington And these "WHITE PEOPLE" were following, copying and perverting what BLACK PEOPLE made in the first place, as they have been doing since time IMMEMORIAL (to most). I do not follow them, I do understand though, that they have pieces of the puzzle that, once put under the microscope of careful scrutiny and observation, will have unchangeable truths in them, just as you have to sift gold out of the muck of a river. I just noticed how you throw this "satanist" title around is similar to how others throw the "pagan" title around as a blanket term, without realizing just how seriously paganized Christianity itself is. April 12 at 2:29am
'Tasiya Elohimstress Sealey Niiice intellectual debate. Very impressed by the research done and the respect between u Brothers. Peace & Guidance...I will continue to follow this thread. April 12 at 2:37am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson If you read the post about blavatsky's use of the phrase then you will see that you are parroting her word for word. What you would also understand is that religion in egypt was state ran and that the priest in heliopolis frequently change their associations and names. So that non of you can really know which myth or myths that you're supposed to follow. I also understand that the 1/4 of the bible when it was written was prophetic and that so far 90% of those prophecies have been fulfilled to a 100% degree of accuracy http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible which is mathematically impossible according to the "Law of Compound Probability" When it comes to christ he also has fulfilled the prophecies connected to his first coming with a 100% degree of accuracy http://www.100prophecies.org/page4.htm There's nothing esoteric about that at all. No need to debate the evidence in the links speak for themselves. Nothing that i have said can be contradicted. Thats why i post whole links so i wouldnt be accused of taking something out of context or manipulating information. The facts stand as is. The myths are all changed by the priest from the onset of egyptian history, your version of the myths are the same as the satanist and they are all white people who started esoteric teaching and theosophy. Like i said before,i dont deal in assumptions or speculations i deal in facts and those are the undeniable facts. Good night. April 12 at 2:46am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WELL HERE IT IS AGAIN http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/as_above_so_below_part1.htmHopefully it should work this time. April 12 at 2:52am · Like
Anthon Sahura Farrington The as above so below link you are talking about, as it wasn't clear obviously, does not work. and if I am "parroting" her as you claim, then maybe there is some truth behind it. Yet, I do not subscribe to Blavatsky, sorry. You should know and understand, that along with face value, that Bible scriptures, as well as the Ancient myths, can be taken in more than one way (parables anyone?) one way is to relate them to the body's functions and changes over time. The King James Version now has 66 books, no longer including the apocrypha. This is symbolic to your 33 vertebrae in your spine, as well as the 33 nerves running up and down your spine. The symbology goes far, wide, and deep. THIS is what I talk about with the esoterics, and "As Above, So Below". Revelations itself is a Highly Esoteric book, directly relating to the brain and body! These satanist people did not start esoterics.If there's an outside, there's an inside, no? Here's some esoterics for you. The same basic elements that make up a star, are the same basic elements that make up your body. Your melanin (a.k.a. "star-dust") is what lies between the colors of the rainbow. It naturally occurs out in space. It is what allows NASA to send their electrical equipment safely into space. FACTS. As your prophecies are fulfilled as you say, so are the changes taking place in the human body in direct relation. You know which "myth" to follow by knowing yourself. The axiom that was above every temple. KNOW THYSELF. We are made by God, we have God in us, as a part of us which you now call the Holy Spirit. We are God's children. To simplify, what is a puppy? a dog's child.What is a kitten? a cat's child. What does a puppy grow up to be? A Dog. A kitten? A Cat. What does a child of God grow up to be then? Your Christianity has been changed and perverted JUST like the ancient myths, difference being that the writings are STILL on the WALLS to TESTIFY THROUGH TIME, undeniable truths. Ancient words SET IN STONE are more fact than some words printed on paper at a conqueror's discretion of what to include/exclude. Who really is Assuming and speculating? "When you assume..." I do not need to put up links that don't work, people know how to use the internet. Google, Yahoo... Libraries are open for the major parts of days, amazon is open 24/7, ebay should also have books as well. Heck, you can even pirate and illegally download books! Information cannot be kept under wraps, the truth WILL be seen. I'm not talking about some book hidden deep in the vatican's library that can only be seen on a certain day if you do the hokey-pokey at the right time, You can go see for yourself the great achievements of the African people before they were conquered and their words twisted around to be used as propaganda, while the original works are touted as evil. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" You can break it's spirit so it will let you ride it though. When the white overlord says "giddyup" do you gallop? I don't. Good night. April 12 at 3:15am
Anthon Sahura Farrington Thanks for reposting the link. Now that it works, I will take a look at it...I won't deny information presented. April 12 at 3:19am
Shakka Ahmose Manu The reposted link does not work. This is why I explicitly intimated to Kevin that he adhere to conventional debate protocol in that links should only be posted in support of evidence already cited sourced and documented...the link should act as nothing more than a verification for the reader....it should not act as a response...unless it is in the service of displaying a photo. I'm trying to help you guys get your game up (Kevin). But learning does not seem to be your forte' (smile). As far as the diatribe you posted above....much of it easily disposable. I'm in the middle of taking care of personal business, but from time to time when you guys post I try to glance at what's been posted simply to stay abreast of the dialogue...and I can tell right now that much of what you said so easily disposable. Can't wait till I get time to actually respond (smile). You should be looking forward to it. People tend to learn when I respond....even me, that's how good I can be (smile). April 12 at 3:28am
Anthon Sahura Farrington As you can tell, I'm on the edge of my seat Bro.Shakka! HTP April 12 at 3:30am
Shakka Ahmose Manu Anthony...unfortunately I have other things to tend to right now that actually warrant my immediate attention but responses to Kevin's faulty assumptions and misguided assertions doesn't even require any research in an effort to respond. I just personally prefer for my responses to be well packaged so EVERYONE gets the point...and unfortunately until I'm done with other correspondences that I'm currently entertaining...I won't be able to give any of those responses the attention they rightfully deserve...after all Kevin went through a lot of effort to make himself look as incompetent a researcher as he is (just giving you a lil jab Kevin...don't take everything I say so seriously...though I did mean it this time...smile). I never respond on an empty stomach so, on my way to get some seafood at 3:38 AM in the morn. The fresh steamed stuff (smile). April 12 at 3:40am
Shakka Ahmose Manu I promise Anthon...it'll be worth the show (smile). I can assure you. April 12 at 5:01am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Shakka,The information in those links comes from the most respected and authoritative sources on egyptology that there are. Flinders Petrie the father of systematic archeology is one of them. They were posted as proof of origin and support for what i stated not as my arguemnt. There were no assumptions made. I looked at all sides of the issues and simply let the volumes of information speak for themselves. The only way you can discount what i said it is to: a) show how these satanist actually denied their associations with blavatsky and taught against her system of teaching. b) show that the priest in Heliopolis didnt have the practice of changing the myths and that the version of the osiris myth that you follow was the original one. c) prove that blavatsky didnt support aryanism. d) prove that the original myth of osiris included isis as his wife. e) prove that the theosophical society doesnt teach esoteric thinking or spiritualism(satan worship). f) prove that massey or wallis did not write articles for the lucifer trust g) prove that blavatsky didnt come up with or support the 7 tier planetary doctrine that you follow. h) show how what you follow is directly opposed to what the satanist teach. Saying that learning isnt my forte, or that i'm incompetent , dont do research or simply attacking me wont help you. Given my educational background your statement is mutually exclusive to my acedemic achievements. Nor will the tactic of simply denying the facts and hiding behind "Its esoteric so you cant understand it" be an adequate explanation of why all of what you believe was first put forth by blavatsky and her cohorts over 100yrs ago. The last time we corresponded you pretended to win the debate as you simply kept posting the same three points over and over. I believe it was Hitler who said even a lie becomes the truth if you repeat it enough times. So if thats your tactic please dont even bother. When we were discussing the osirian myth i pointed out how he was never ressurected but temporarily revived. How horus was not the product of a virgin birth and that there was no specific similarities between osiris and christ. Your reply was simply to talk about how superior you were and how dumb i was. Yet, you offered no specific instance that related to the life of christ but continued to use speculative reasoning as why the myth was the same as the life of christ. I DONT DO SPECULATION,I DO FACTS. So if you're still interested in making yourself look great and making me look dumb thats fine with me. I told you in a private message that i refuse to attack you,your educational background,your character, or engage in witticism as a means of discussing the truth. I will not get into that as it is a diversioanry tactic aimed at making the on-lookers focus on who say's the funniest things and turns their focus away from the facts. Winning a debate means that you attack and defeat the information thats been presented not the person who presented it. Thus far you have not proven anything that i presented as being untrue. April 12 at 9:44am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson anthon, wether you subcribe to blavatsky is irrelevant. The fact that all that you have said comes right out of her writings, is whats important. I dont subscibe to being a racist either but when i make derogatory racist remarks that have their origin with racist people then i am supporting what they say and promote. Much the same as you spout all of the things that blavatsky taught therefor you are supporting what blavatsky said and promoted. There is no hair to split here. April 12 at 9:49am · Like Rah Hotep Ahmose, Hotep wise big brother! Please go on my wall, and see my current stat.. I want you to get into this discussion.. This Christian is very sensitive.. (I know they all are) but please be gentle!!! Hotep April 12 at 10:41am
Anthon Sahura Farrington Mr.Johnson (My name is a proper noun with a capitalized first letter. I would greatly appreciate a bit more, if not the same respect I show regardless of the debate, thank you.) What you seem to be missing here, is that NO MATTER WHAT miss Blavatsky states, she came AFTER, NOT BEFORE, the Egyptian writings. See, you are using the "Strawman" argument, not really defeating or nullifying what I am saying. My statements do not have their origin with her writings. Clear the log from your eye before criticizing the speck in mine. By your logic, if an evil tyrant had taken his rise to power on the coattails of the words of Jesus, twisted and perverting them for his own benefit to cover his mass murder of millions of people, then ALL Christians would be in suppourt of that dictator and his genocidal actions, REGARDLESS of what Jesus had said. (Wait a tick, that sounds familiar, Constantine anyone?). Let's put it another way then. What you are saying to me is, No matter who the original teacher is, if there is ONE student who learned the truth/teachings, strays from the path and sticks a disagreeable title onto the teachings, starts spouting them with an evil agenda, Then the teacher, all the other students, everyone who hears the ORIGINAL teachings and uses them, even if they are against what that rouge student says, and even the ORIGINAL teachings themselves, are by some transitive property, now also evil and astray from the ORIGINAL path. "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" You know, when you point one finger, three more point back at you. If there is no hair to split, why do you keep bringing up this "satanist" woman to make it seem like she was the one who carved these words into the temples, obelisks, and burial chambers of the Egyptians millennia ago with her own two hands? This is highly illogical, what are you thinking? What IS your thinking or should I say motive in doing this? April 12 at 11:28am Rah Hotep Why are we having this debate when we know that all of her teachings derives from the Egyptian mysteries??! It's kinda pointless debating pointless and obvious things.. April 12 at 11:49am · Like
Anthon Sahura Farrington I'm trying to figure out what he's getting at...I know what they say about arguing with [certain individuals] and them dragging you down to their level and beating you with experience, but I just wanted to see if there was some brain function going on. The lights seem to be on... like Shakka would say (smile) April 12 at 11:53am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson ra how do you know i'm sensitive? you're just blanketly throwing stuff out there with no basis for your statement as is common with the kemetics. interestingly enough your kemetic brother just got all sensitive because i didnt capitalize the first initial of his name. now thats sensitive. anthon, you know who you are and the fact that i'm not always reaching for the shift key shouldnt bother you. i'm not trying to be disrespectful,just conserving motion. as far as blavatsky is concerned,her time of existance is the straw man. the fact that all of the teachings that you follow is the issue. however, constatine was not a preacher but an emporer so he does not qualify to be used in your example. yet,if the evil dictator takes an unoriginal version of what christ said then he is in error as would be all that followed him. just as you follow one of the last versions of the osirian myth,not the original,therfor you are in error. if you are talking about logic then you must recognize that for blavatsky to pick one of the more than 6 versions of the osirian myth and one that was recorded by a greek who did not get his version from the writings but the priest who told it to him then she is in error and all that follow that version of the myth is as well,which would mean those who follow the same version. this has been already done with the faith of christ. the world is full of so-called christian movements that use spin off version of the original version of the life of christ. the reason i keep bringing up this satanist is because the theosophical movement and esoteric teachings all lead back to blavatsky. but of course you didnt know this so you're uncomfortable with the connection. still that doesnt change the fact that everything that you believe in starts with her and her version of the osirian myth. whats even more intersting is that she also used one of the last forms of the isis myth as well. in one of the oldest version of her myth, isis had no husband or lover then she was hathor who was married to ra and later married off to osiris http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/isisgod.html also there are several myths that say isis was married first to ra then horus and finally osirus. http://www.egyptiandreams.co.uk/isis.php she was also the lover of min. so obviously after all of that she most definitely not a virgin. these are part of your belief system which has been hijacked by blavatsky but none the less you are going along for the ride. i recognize that the catholic church has done the same with christ but i wont roll with them nowhere. April 12 at 12:08pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson ra, if all of her teachings are from the ancient mysteries then the ancient mysteries are based on satanism. there's no getting out from under that. either you follow the teachings of the satanist blavatsky or you follow the satanic teachings of egypt which were promoted by the satanist blavatsky. either way its satanic. more over part of that satanic worship invloved beastiality as was practiced in mendes http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/religion/banebdjedet.htm the historian whose version of the osirain myth you and blavatsky follow observed this with his own eyes. the symbol of this god of egytp is the official symbol of the satanist.http://www.luckymojo.com/baphomet.html now if thats the wisdom of the ancients then the ancients were depraved and its no wonder they lost their glory just as all the other civilizations who have descended into debuachery and satanism. April 12 at 12:26pm · Like
Anthon Sahura Farrington I love how you TELL me which version of the myth I follow just because I hopped into the debate and some of my views seem to line up with Blavatsky's. You don't know that I directly and exclusively subscribe to the Kemetian philosophy, neither do you know which reliegions and philosophy's I study. What I am doing is plainly showing the faults and holes in your logic, and your blindness. Your belief system WAS spawned from another belief system. The fact that you use the name Jesus Christ as if that was his actual name shows how mislead you have been. I guess Jesus was a satanist for studying in the Egyptian temples, as well as Moses (Who was "learned in all the ways of the Egyptians, and mighty in words and deeds"). and if it's just laziness with the capitalization, that shows how disrespectful you are. ->.Sloth.<- I'm not asking you to walk miles and pay respects bringing gifts and trinkets...it's one key on a keyboard. Wow, if you're this lazy with the simplest of things, it will only begin to creep and manifest itself in other aspects of your life. People never seem to realize the CONNECTION between things. April 12 at 1:01pm
Apedemak Anuptah' AND BESIDES THAT KEVIN,THE CONCEPT OF A SATAN CANNOT BE FOUND OUTSIDE OF THE BIBLE,,THE QUESTION I HAVE IS,,WHAT WERE PEOPLE WORSHIPPING BEFORE THE BIBLE AND WHAT TIME PERIOD DID AFRAKANS RECIEVE THE BIBLE?,,,CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT FROM AFRAKA IS THE BEGINING,,WHERE IS THE STORY OF ADAM AND EVE GIVEN IN THE ANCIENT CULTUERS BEFORE THE BIBLE? April 12 at 1:19pm
Apedemak Anuptah' WHERE ARE THE PROPHECIES ABOUT CHRIS JESUS ON THE WALLS OF KEMET?,,BEING THAT KEMET IS OLDER THAN ALL OF THE BIBLE,,WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MEANINGS OF MEDU NTER,ON THE WALLS OF KEMET MEANS,,WRITING OF GOD OR SPPECH OF GOD,,,SO WE RESORT TO THE OLDEST TESTEMENT IN STONE,,THE LATER STORY I..E..THE BIBLE MUST BE OF THE SATAN YOU TALK OF April 12 at 1:24pm · Like
Apedemak Anuptah' AND ILL LET YOU KNOW KEVIN,I DONT GO BY NO CRACKER NAMED BALASHKY,,,I GO BY WALLS OF KEMET April 12 at 1:27pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson anthon,if u noticed i dont often if ever use the name jesus as i recognize that this is a greek tranlation of the word yshw and the fact that you tried to disaccociate your self from blavatsky while at the same time defending the myths of egypt tells me exactly what you believe. second of all, there is no mention anywhere in the bible that christ studied in the temples of egypt. therefor it is your own logic which is faulty. apedemak, what you obviously dont realize is that what blavatsky wrote actually came from those same wall that you go by as she was a frequent visitor to egypt. you are also ignorant to the fact that set was also spelled sat from which the word satan is based on.http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/07092001.htm and he can be traced back to ancient egytp. finally if what you believe is the exact same as what blavatsky taught such as the 7 tiers of planets http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html or the "chrsit myth"http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm which she was the first to develope. and if blavatsky lived before you,which she did; then you follow her. All of what you teach and believed can be traced right through her and budge right back to egypt. then you might not like who you're in bed with but that dont stop you from being lovers. April 12 at 2:15pm · Like
Anthon Sahura Farrington Oh I know the origin of satan, shaytan, set, set-an suut, soot etc. I chose not to bring it up. Assumptions, Assumptions. I still like how you are TELLING me what I know & believe from your limited interaction over fb, just as I'm telling you what I observe from your comments. I never mentioned or spoke that I believed in the 7 tier theory. I don't work in the realm of beliefs, I go by knowledge and facts. You are coming at this from your predisposed indoctrinated view. fighting fighting fighting. I still have not been "corrected", but I have other things to do. feel free to continue the diatribe. You might not like who you're in bed with either when and if your eyes are opened, but I guess that's how it goes. "live n let die". April 12 at 2:28pm
Mhitu Heru Peace
Kevin Pendleton Johnson In order to get the paradigm of energy you are seeking you must empty your cup of poison. You are attacking brothers with knowledge that i have dialogged with. This is an act of emotional instability. Ive given facts beyond people places and things. IF YOU WANT TO LEARN STOP ARGUING. OR REMAIN SLEEP ELDER> EITHER WAY ILL TEACH April 12 at 4:07pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson apedemak, isnt that interesting how people who know the truth are choosing to not bring certain important things up? the higher up the level of learning that you go the more they rmember to tell you, an nthon let me help you see what i'm saying. the reason that i know what you believe is the same as what someone would know what i believed. in order for me to b a believer(i dont use the word christian as it is a derogatory title) i must first believe certain basic principle of the faith. the same applies to you. in order for you to be kemetic, you must first believe certain principles of kemet. one of the most overiding concerns of all human beings is what happens to us when we die. therfore as a kemetic, and that you must be due to how you rushed to criticize what i said and your immediate defence of the kemitic position, you must ascribe to one of its foundational beliefs which is the 7 tier theory. April 12 at 4:08pm · Like
Mhitu Heru @shakka goodness brother dua seneb for the time loop on 125th a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. April 12 at 4:10pm · Like
Mhitu Heru @ anthon if you check my page you will see why the accusations sorry i got him started.l April 12 at 4:11pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson peace my brother. i have not attacked anyone nor have i made any degrading ,disparaging remarks,or became sarcastic and mean. i'm simply pointing out certain things which disagree with what you believe. you guys do it to to believers all the time, except you call them ignorant,indoctrinated, accuse them of having a slave mentality and i have even been called uncle ruckus by one of your kemetic brothers. told shakka that i refuse to attack him even though he spent quite a bit of time calling in to question not only my education but my ability to reason as well. its just like anthons comment about continuing my diatribe. why is it when your telling someone about kemet, you are teaching the ignorant indoctrinated chrsitian. but when a believer calls into question what you believe in and shows the error of that belief,its a diatribe? it is your people who have chosen to attack christ,why is it wrong for me to attack what you believe? i respect all of you,your my people. i just have found a lot of major flaws in what you teach and have proof that the teachings have roots in satanism. that doesnt mean your evil it just means that satan and his followers are. April 12 at 4:18pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson by the way this has taught me something about my own faith. for years i struggled with the question of what happens to those who never confess christ? now i see how one can be following something perfectly without knowing thats what they are doing. wether it may be christ or satan, i guess you his testimony in your life. even when you're not aware of it. April 12 at 4:21pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson to be honest i think we've exhausted the topic of the myths as we now know that there are several versions of each isis,osiris and horus. and that the earliest versions of those myths show them of independant of each other. Flinders Petrie ,the father of systematic archeology, established that. Which is also confirmed by plutarch as his account of the myths is second hand after 7,000yrs or so and if you look at the midlle of this page attached to this link near the feat of imhotep,you'll find that the priest wrote nothing down. therfore the myths were most undoubtedly corrupted quite a bit befor plutarch http://www.philipcoppens.com/heliopolis.html which was confirmed by the first person to devote a school to this teaching, ammonius. what concerns me now is another part of your teaching which is that the god serapis is really christ and that christ is a myth. do all kemtics believe this and why? April 12 at 4:52pm · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin....enjoy it while it lasts (smile). You're lucky I'm too busy to respond (smile). But trust me...I'm trying to hurry up and finish so your 'ass-ertions' can be addressed competently and explicitly with veracity. But alas...priorities. April 12 at 8:29pm
Arius Ra NeterHotep @Shakka Ahmose Manu, Anthon Sahura Farrington&
Mhitu Heru DIVINE NETERUS! Its a waste of your DIVINE ENERGY dealing with this UNCLE RUCKUS idiots... He's been blocked by several of your DIVINE FAMILY MEMBERS , I see the same commotion here...HTP!!!! April 12 at 9:01pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Arius...with all due respect fmly (I mean that genuinely). I've had some private discussion with Kevin and the one impression that he left me with is that he is not the Uncle Tom his verbiage might lead you to believe and he is not a 'stupid person'. In fact he researches his subject matter to the best of his ability. I would not have accepted his invitation to debate if I though he was just some 'stupid, ignorant' brother...of course which can be found. I welcome Kevin's presence because his assertions, accusations and even his efforts at documentation warrant him the respect due to any 'opponent' who is trying to put in work the best way he knows how, doing the best with what he or she has. Kevin has posted a number of things in this dialogue that the average so called 'conscious, informed' black person on facebook would have a difficult time refuting. In fact I've been keeping abreast of the dialogue every chance I get just to see who could competently dismantle Kevin's argument via documentation and the historical record and to be quite honest no one has as yet to cut the mustard. If I had time right now to prepare a response the debate would be virtually over I can assure you, as will be seen once I fulfill other obligations that warrant my attention. ....but no one else has as yet to get down with Kevin in a scholarly fashion and out of respect for him I have to say that that's how he came. At least with the little bit I've been able to peek at with the limited time on my hands. While he's here Arius...give the brother the respect he's earned by his willingness stay and rep what he believes to be the Truth. If you notice you don't see a whole lot of black Christians, clergy or otherwise coming out of the woodworks to have dialogue with us, not even to try to teach us of the error of our ways, if that was the position they held. Most pretend no other views exist at all. Give this brother his due credit for staying in the fight and for causing scholarship to come forth by way of responses to his assertions and accusations. And I have noticed that in one or more of his assertions he's raised valid points of contention that no one here seems qualified to address. Me personally...I'll have no problem with those points of contention because I know the historical record well enough to alleviate Kevin of any substantive premise he may feel he has to stand on. But in the mean time....deal with him in the Spirit of scholarship....because in my forums...scholarship has the last word...no one or nothing else...not even me. Hotep. Now kick his butt with some scholarship...or I'll be forced to stop what I'm doing and do it. Doesn't matter though...I'll be finished eventually. Dealing with some music related issues. Hotep. April 12 at 9:30pm
Mhitu Heru @ Shakka check my page brother i cant get more scholarly. April 12 at 9:49pm
Arius Ra NeterHotep @Shakka Ahmose Manu-GOOD LUCK! April 12 at 9:49pm
Mhitu Heru LMAO YEAH I KNOW April 12 at 9:50pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Hey shakka! Did you just tell da brother to kick my butt? See what i mean you guys are rough!! lol!! thank you for the gentlemanly way that you've treated me. As i've said before its not always the case. and thank you too,mhitu you are one of the most respectful men of kemet,maybe the most respectful that i've met. no offence shakka. i look foward to discourse with you both. but as i said befroe i will not get into an adversarial style confrontation with you. it proves nothing, illuminates nuthing and solves nothing. peace my brothers April 12 at 9:57pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as it it getting late i want you to go ahead and respond to what i have said and posted then we will pick it up tomorrow. take care young fellas April 12 at 9:59pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu By the way guys ...don't sleep on Kevin...he studies Africa INTENSELY and can furnish you with some very good information....we have to stop stereo typing one another simply because we're passionate about our own ideologies. April 12 at 10:00pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats funny, i had to learn the same lesson about you! lol! ok i'm like you were the other night shakka i got to get off this thing now or i never will 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 shalom April 12 at 10:02pm
Arius Ra NeterHotep @
Shakka Ahmose Manu DIVINE BROTHER! Many I KNOW & you KNOW already have dealt with him about 20 NETERUS again GOOD LUCK!!! p.s.He hasn't started the name calling yet April 12 at 10:04pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson shakka, as you know i believe in the west coast african origin of mankind. specifically the black man in america as well,which of course most kemetics dispute visciously. i'm sure you know of the antikythera mechanism. there's nothing like it in greece or kemet so where did it come from? as sophisticated as both the greeks and egyptians were,none of their technology was anywhere near this at anytime, so it could not have come from either civilization. One of the many reasons that i'm opposed to following kemet is i believe in devolution. and from what i have seen of them and in light of what i know their ancestory to be,they most definitely devolved into flat out pagan idolatry. the zingh and most of the sub-sahran civilizations were monotheist. yet kemet made gods of everything. again,devolution. so althoug they may have been superior to their contemporary civilizations , i believe they were basically morons compared to our true ancestors. Egypt only florished because of the land mass seperation which happened between africa and the america's and the population shift that it subsequently caused. we the zingh,(omelecks) were here in america trading with the indians 20,000 yrs ago,not kemet as they hadnt come into existance yet. just something else i'd like to roll around in that enormous brain of yours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism smile! peace my brother April 12 at 10:56pm
Apedemak Anuptah' IM BACK,,ACTUALY KEVIN,I KNOW THAT SATAN IS A CORRUPTION OF THE WORD SET,,AND SO SATAN IS A FOUL TO THE WORD SET,,AS FAR AS BALACKSY ,,,JUST CAUSE SHE WENT TO KEMET DOES NOT MEAN,,SHE HAS UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY,,AND SHE WOULD HAVE NEVER CAUSE HER PINEAL GLAND DOES NOT CORRECTLY OPERATE FOR HER TO SPIRITUALLY CONCIEVE ,KEMETIC SPIRITUAL CONCEPTS,,HER MELANIN IS DEFUNCT,,THEREFORE SO IS HER SPIRITUALITY,,,YOU HAVE TO BE SEPTEPENRA TO EVEN BE ABLE TO PERCIEVE THOSE THINGS KEV,,NOT ONLY THAT,,YUSEF BEN YACHANON AND ASHRA KWESI AND SARA SUTEN SETI,,DID NOT LEARN FROM HER,,BUT STUDIED STRICTLY FROM THE WALLS OF KEMET,,,UNDER THE CRAFT OF AMUNRA,,THAT IS WHERE I GET MY LEARNING FROM,,I DO NOT MESS WITH BUDGE CAUSE HE ALSO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND KEMET CORRECTLY BEING HIS PINEAL GLAND IS DEFUNCT TOO,,,,REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY KEVIV,,THE BIBLE IS LATER,,AND SO IS A CONCOCTED STORY OF ISRAELITES,,,EVEN IF I WERE TO GO BY A BIBLICAL TIMELINE,,,I STILL WOULD POINT OUT THAT ABRAHAM YOUR FOUNDER HAD TO GO INTO EGYPT,,,SO THE BELIEFS OF KEMET IS OLDER AND ORIGINAL,,,LATER COPIES AND FORGERIES CANNOT TAKE ITS PLACE April 13 at 1:22am
Apedemak Anuptah' AS FAR AS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ME AFTER DEATH,,I WILL STAND BEFORE THE SCALES OF MAAT April 13 at 1:25am · Like
Apedemak Anuptah' OOOO,,I JUST READ YOUR STATEMENT KEVIN,,ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MYTHS OF KEMET OF THE SAME STORY,,,HMMMM,IS THAT LIKE THE APOCRYPHA OF THE CHURCH,,I MEAN CHURCHES,,OR IS IT EQUIVILENT TO THE VARIOUS CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE OF THE SAME SUBJECT?,,,KEVIN IF YOU CONTINUE ON THIS PATH HOMMIE,,IMMA HAVE TO OPEN YOUR BIBLE UP AND RATTLE OF CONTRADICTIONS IN IT,TO TEACH YOU,,RIPPIN YOU INSIDE OUT,,THEN YOULL HAVE TO NOT DEAL WITH KEMET,,BUT WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH HOW CHRISTIANITY INITSELF IS A WHOLE OF CONTRADICTION,,ILL DO THAT 2MORROW IF YOU WANT ME TOO,BUT OUT OF RESPECT TO AHMOSE MANU,,I LEAVE YOU FOR HIM TO DO AWAY WITH YOU AND THAT YASHOAH AND YAHWEH,, April 13 at 1:38am Akil Akenhaten yo shakka why don't anyone talk about dr malachi z york...which is a greatteacher... April 13 at 7:03am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Just watched CNN. Another crooked preacher has his parishoners praying for lower gaas prices. I understand why you have no faith in chrisrtianity. Neither do i! My faith is in christ. There is a difference between christians and believers. April 13 at 9:36am · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu @Akenaten: Perhaps because everyone may not share the perspective that he is a 'great teacher'. Apparently there are those who feel that he is. That being so, those who feel that way should be the ones to speak to it, however...in this forum they should be prepared for opposing views from people who will no doubt surely disagree with you. April 13 at 10:13am Joseph Spruill @kevin or anyone I was wondering had you ever read the "Historical orgins of Christanity"by Dr Walter Williams & if so what is your take on the scholarship..I found myself he had some very interesting perspectives on the subject of Christ.The Council of Niceae,The Council of Ephesus,Serapis,Alexander the Greek etc..but more interesting is the way inwhich he said stumbled on to insight on the subject,basically by doing research on this Serapis image that opened up all these other doors..hotep.. April 13 at 11:54am
Shakka Ahmose Manu Walter is on point...100%. I've read all of his works and have researched them thoroughly and I consider him to be the best historian in the game. April 13 at 12:06pm Joseph Spruill @ Shakka I agree brother.. Dr Williams don't be playing the best insight I've seen on the subject thusfar pointblank!!! April 13 at 12:19pm · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu If you knew the level of research I've reached because of his work...trust me your mind would be blown...as Kevin's is going to be when I finally get time to respond and refute. April 13 at 12:37pm
Mhitu Heru @Shakka BROTHER i highly suggest you check our discussion on my page. I am scholarly in my positions therein taken. April 13 at 3:06pm · Like
Mhitu Heru Forget what was if i may entertain the subject on your page i would like to do so. I will stand and prove that Yshua ben Yusef/Isa/jesus never existed in so-called biblical time. AND PROVE THE INCREDIBILITY OF THE BIBLE. SCIENTIFICALLY. ONLY IF YOU SEE IT FIT SHAKKA FOR IT IS YOUR PAGE> April 13 at 3:13pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Mhitu...do as you wish but consider this brother....if any of your assertions be in error I will be the first to expose it. That is my nature (smile). Where your assertions are accurate i will buttress them with all of the support in the world. Now...take the 'stage' .....and deliver. Hotep. April 13 at 5:15pm
Mhitu Heru THANK-YOU for the platform. I Will BEGIN WITH DEFINING A FACT 1.something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your opinions have no basis in fact. 2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact. 3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. 4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. 5. Law . Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law. April 13 at 6:35pm
Mhitu Heru ELder Kevin Pendleton johnson> FACT>Professor W.M. Flanders Petries statistical recording of sequentioal datings is the most recognized methodi in ARCHEOLOGY( The study of human history and prehistory through the excavation of sites and the analysis of artifacts and other physical remains)today. FACT he divided the pre-history of egypt into five separate periods.1/Tasian 2/Badarian 3/amratian 4/gerzean and 5/semainian all names of villages located near the place where each major find was unearthed. MY SOURCE REFERENCE FOR THE PREVIOUS FACT IS BLACKMAN OF THE NILE AND HIS FAMILY BY ELDER DR. YOSEF A.A. BEN JOCHANNAN pg. 343. FACT>On july 17th 1959 in east africa Tanganyika ZINJANTHROPUS was unearthed by DR. Mary Leakey and her husband Dr. Louis Leakey in the OLDUVAI GORGE. Man's most possible prehistoric relative to date. Among the first tool making hominids. 1.75 MILLION YEARS OLD dated by THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA new potassium-argon method test. BLACK MAN OF THE NILE AND HIS FAMILY SAME PREVIOUS ELDER AS THE AUTHOR pg.91 The Oldest known place of origin factually sound to date. AS A BELIEVER IN THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE AS PREVIOUSLY STATED. I ASK ELDER
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WHERE IS ADAM AND EVE FROM AND WHEN DID THEY EXIST? FACTUALLY April 13 at 6:59pm
Mhitu Heru My reason for the assumption above CONCERING Elder Pendletons belief comes from post 50 i a previous dialogue with my elder.>>>>>>>>>> I believe in the prophecies of the bible,all of which concerning messiah were fulfilled by the man called Iesus/Jesus.http://www.100prophecies.org/page4.htm NOT TO INTERRUPT THE PREVIOUS QUESTION ASKED STILL STANDS ELDER. WHERE IS ADAM AND EVE FROM AND WHEN DID THEY EXIST? FACTUALLY April 13 at 7:16pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson hey shakka, mhitu. how r you guys doing? ok i'm back on the horse for a while now. the answer to your question concerning adam and eve is unavailable but thats not without precident as the exact location of existance for many of pre-historical figures such as osiris, can not be determined with any exact specificity. by the way, i am not a believer in the christian doctrine. unknown to most in the church the term "christian" is a derogatory term. if you search the new test you'll find those who follow christ never called each other christians. how ever there are the descendants of the two who can be verified as to having existed. therefor if you can prove the existance of their offspring then the natrual conclusion is that they must have existed. as far as the method of dating the age of skeletal remains, it is a contested subject where the final say has not been made. the normal christian rhetoric demands a 6,000yr existance of the earth, but there are believers who suggest that the measure of the life of adams life began at the time of expulsion from the garden foward. simply put, the pair may have existed in eden for a millinia or more. April 13 at 8:33pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson joseph, the works of dr williams are familiar to me but i havnt read any of his writings per sey. if it is he that suggest that the myth of serapis is the basis of the life of christ or that christ was the creation of the catholic church,that i've heard of. is there a question that you would like me to answer concerning serapis? April 13 at 8:37pm · Like
Mhitu Heru How ever there are the descendants of the two who can be verified as to having existed. therefor if you can prove the existance of their offspring then the natrual conclusion is that they must have existed. PROVE FACTUALLY TWO OF THEM? ALSO WHERE IS THE GARDEN OF EDEN LOCATED? FACTUALLY MY ABOVE FACTS STAND UNCHANGED April 13 at 8:50pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson mhitu, let me say this another way. just as you can not prove exactly where osiris was born,i can not prove where adam was born either. dont ask me to give you proof of something that you ca not prove about your own deity April 13 at 8:52pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson do you believe that christ is based on serapis and if so why? April 13 at 9:12pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson apedemek, hpoe i spelled it correctly. there are no contradictions in the bible. there are, i believe, the critic say's 143 contradictions. why is it that whenever i hear that there are contradictions in the bible it always comes from someone who has never studied the bible in depth? there is a site that gives answers to all of the so-called biblical contradictions. http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm each of the so-called contradictions are listed with quite reasonable and logical explanations for them. April 13 at 9:24pm · Like
Mhitu Heru @ELder
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i STATED earlier that I will stand and prove that Yshua ben Yusef/Isa/jesus never existed in so-called biblical time. AND PROVE THE INCREDIBILITY OF THE BIBLE. SCIENTIFICALLY I not now or ever have compared osiris/ausar to jesus/esus/yashua. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR THIS DIALOGUE IS TO DIMANTLE THE HELIOS BIBLIOS FROM SEPTUAGINT TO MASONIC PLUS DEGREES. IM STILL IN GENESIS AROUND THE SEVENTH DAY WHEN ADAM IS PLACED IN THE GARDEN. ILL RE-STATE MY QUESTION AND OMMIT WHAT YOU COULD NOT ANSWER WHERE IS THE GARDEN OF EDEN? April 13 at 9:33pm
Mhitu Heru I STAND ON THE SCIENCE MY ANCESTORS BUILT CIVILIZATION WITH ALL OF THEM. NOW WHERE IS THE GARDEN OF EDEN? April 13 at 9:38pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i dont know and dont care as the answer is inconsequential to what my faith. since i dont worship adam or eve i never bothered to check and see. now answer my question. do you believe that christ is the creatoin of the roman catholic church and if so why? April 13 at 9:41pm · Like
Mhitu Heru BELIEF 1. The mental act, condition, or HABIT of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever. 2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief. 3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons. The NEW TESTAMENT IS AFTER THE OLD TESTAMENT IF YOU CAN NOT DATE DEFINE AND FACTUALLY PROVE ITS MAIN TENENTS SUCH AS NOAH AND MOSES THEN HIS DESCENDENTS (JESUS) ARE IRRELAVENT. The Garden of Eden (Hebrew גַּן עֵדֶן, Gan ʿEdhen; Arabic: جنة عدن, Jannat ʿAdn) is described in the Bible's Book of Genesis as being the place where the first man, Adam, and his wife, Eve, lived after they were created by God. Literally, the Bible speaks about a garden in Eden (Gen. 2:8). This garden forms part of the Genesis creation narrative and theodicy of the Abrahamic religions, often being used to explain the origin of sin and mankind's wrongdoings. The Genesis creation narrative relates the geographical location of both Eden and the garden to four rivers (Pishon, Gihon, Tigris, Euphrates), and three regions (Havilah, Assyria, and Kush). There are hypotheses' that place Eden at the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates (northern Mesopotamia), in Iraq (Mesopotamia), Africa, and the Persian Gulf. For many medieval writers, the image of the Garden of Eden also creates a location for human love and sexuality, often associated with the classic and medieval trope of the locus amoenus. SOURCE REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA I KNOW THAT THE KING JAMES CHRIST DID NOT EXIST I DON'T BELIEVE. I FACTUALLY KNOW. FOR YOUR QUESTION IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE A CATHOLIC CHURCH TO CREATE JESUS/YASHUA THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A ROMAN ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO WRITE SUCH A FABRICATION. 332 B.C.E. IS CHRONOLOGICALLY WHEN GREEKS INVADED KEMET/EGYPT 30 B.C.E.IS WERE ROME CAME IN BEFORE THEN THE SO-CALLED FATHER OF HISTORY HERODOTUS(IN 450 B.C.E. AT THE AGE OF FORTY YEARS OF AGE CAME TO THE GRAND LODGE IN WASET/THEBES/LUXOR IN EGYPT/KEMET) AND STUDIED OUR HIGH CULTURE OF SEVEN LIBERAL ARTS AS MANY DID FROM WEALTHY TO DO FAMILIES IN THE SEAT OF THE NILE VALLEY AS WELL AS WORLD CULTURE. MOSES LIVED IN THE TIME OF RAMESES 1 1340-1320 B.C.E. SETI 1 1318-1298 B.C.E. AND GOT HIS MOSAIC LAWS FROM JEHOVA ON MOUNT SINAI DURING 1298-1232 B.C.E.THE TIME OF RAMESES 11 ALLEGEDLY AT NINETY YEARS OLD. OUR OSIRICA MYSTERY SYSTEMS WICH WERE THE TALK OF CIVILIZATION ANCIENT AT THE TIME OF HIS REVALATION ESPECIALLY BEING WHERE HE WAS RAISED HAD BEEN HEARD ABOUT BY HIM BEFORE EXODUS JOSHUA CALEB JOSEPH OR JESUS OR THE BURNING BUSH. FACTUALLY JESUS WONT MAKE IS OUT OF THIS ONE ALIVE. April 13 at 10:40pm
Mhitu Heru IF THERE IS NO MOSES THERE IS NO JESUS. HOW CAN LAW BE MADE GIVEN A MURDERER. THE REASON RAMESES ALLEGEDLY ATTEMPETED TO KILL MOSES WAS BECAUSE HE MURDERED ONE OF HIS ROYAL GUARDS. THE SO-CALLED MOSAIC LAWS WERE A DIRECT PLAGURATION OF THE 142 NEGATIVE CONFESSIONS OF MAAT. WHICH HIM GROWING UP IN KEMET HE HAD TO HEAR AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE HEARD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND OUT OF THE TEN HE BROKE THE ONE THAT SAID THOUGH SHALT NOT KILL. IF HE DID TAKE A PEOPLE ACROSS A PARTED RIVER HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CRUSHED ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THE KEMETIAN/EGYPTIAN ARMY RULED BOTH SIDES OF THE WATER. DEAL WITH TWO OF THOSE FACTS? YOU PICK April 13 at 10:47pm
Mhitu Heru THESE ARE THE 42 WELL KNOWN NEGATIVE CONFESSIONS OF MAAT I have not done iniquity.
I have not committed robbery with violence.
I have done violence to no man.
I have not committed theft.
I have not slain man or woman.
I have not made light the bushel.
I have not acted deceitfully.
I have not purloined the things which belonged to the God.
I have not uttered falsehood.
I have not carried away food.
I have not uttered evil words.
I have not attacked man.
I have not killed the beasts which are the property of the Gods.
I have not eaten my heart (i.e., done anything to my regret).
I have not laid waste ploughed land.
I Have never pried into matters.
I have not set my mouth in motion against my man.
I have not given way to anger concerning myself without cause.
I have not defiled the wife of a man.
I have not committed transgression against any part.
I have not violated sacred times and seasons.
I have not struck fear into any man.
I have not been a man of anger.
I have not made myself deaf to words of right and truth.
I have not stirred up strife.
I have made no man weep.
I have not committed acts of impurity or sodomy.
I have not eaten my heart.
I have abused no man.
i have not acted with violence.
I have not judged hastily.
I have not taken vengeance upon the God.
I not multiplied my speech overmuch.
I have not acted with deceit, or worked wickedness.
I have not cursed the king.
I have not fouled water.
I have not made haughty my voice.
I have not cursed the God.
I have not behaved with iinsolence.
I have not sought for distinctions.
I have not increased my wealth except with s uch things are are my own posessions.
I have not thought scorn of the God who is in the city. April 13 at 10:53pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson ok since no one is going to take the bait, i'll dispell dr williams assertion that christ is the creation of the catholic church. correct me if i'm wrong but, dr williams said that ptolemy wanted to be worshipped so he created serapis. there is also the suggestion that the lybian, arius wanted to warn the nicean council that they were worshipping a false god. first of all,if you were pharoah you were worshipped or put to death! just like rome,where the emporer was god,so it was in egypt. 2nd if ptolemy wanted to be worshipped he would have made a god that looked like him. ptolemy was clean shaven, no mustache no beard. this was one of egyptian traditions. all were clean shaven. statues of ptolemy bare this out as well. 3rd, serapis exited in egypt several hundred yrs before ptolemy was born http://allegyptiangods.com/serapis/ dr williams was wrong to say that this god was serapis was forced on the egyptians as well. serapis was forced on the greeks. oringinall as with all egyptian gods, osarapis initially had an animals head. this head was done away with to pleas the greeks. ptolemy made serapis look like the greek god hades/pluto. if you look at a full-length picture of the serapis statue you will see that cerebus the three-headed dog at his feet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis now look at hades, he has the same three-headed dog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades 4th christ would have not had long hair. although he was said to be from nazareth, there is mention nowhere in the bible, where christ takes to vow of a nazarite. this had to be done verbally or in writing. so then christ would have had to be obdient to the mosaic law and wear his hair short http://www.jesuspolice.com/common_error.php?id=13 so no matter what the catholic church might have done later in the 5th century to europeanize chrsit. his 1st century followers would have never confuse him with serapis. 5th,"egyptian history" say's that the apsotle mark was killed by the followers of serapis for celebrating the ressurection of christ on the feast day of serapis http://orthodoxwiki.org/Apostle_Mark undoubtedly the believers knew the serapians and visa versa so the assumption that there was some confusion between the two is even less plausible. however the most important proof is the destruction of the temple of serapis in 391AD http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/greece/paganism/serapeum.html by the believers as retribution for the murder of mark 300yrs earlier what really destroys this theory is that the followers of christ went throughout the city searching for and destroying all the bus of serapis. the theory put forth by dr williams is false. April 13 at 11:03pm · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Hey Kevin....keep talking....(smile). April 13 at 11:06pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as for arius his heresy is as follows; jesus was devine but should not be worshipped on par with the father. there is no mention in any of the writings of arius or his contemporaries that he believed there was somehow a false christ being put forth to decieve the people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism this teaching is the basis for such cults as the jehovas' witnesses and others. dr williams again was wrong. April 13 at 11:07pm · Like
Mhitu Heru DEAL WITH MOSES BEFORE HIS DESCENDENTS ELDER April 13 at 11:09pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson mhitu, you said if there was no moses then there was no christ? then "based on your logic, if there was a moses then there was a christ". here is the egyptian historical record for moses he was called senmut by the egyptians http://biblelight.net/moses.htm if you scroll to the bottom of the page then you'll see a full statue of moses/senmut; big ol' jewish nose and all. so as your own logic dictates if there was a moses there was a christ. there is another "egyptian historical record of that time wich records the plagues and the exodus" http://www.christianevidences.org/ipuwer-papyrus2.html so then there was a moses, there were ten plagues,of which young king tut was one of the last victims,therefore there was a christ,as your own logic has dictated. hey shakka. grandpa tired now and i got a parent teachers conference tomorrow. last one of the yr. my 11yr old daughter who has been an honor roll student since 1st grade this year "HER" goal was straight A's tomorrow i'm gonig to get the last confirmation that she pulled it off!! but like i always tell her, "your a black woman from a family of very accomplished academics" this is what you're supposed to do. good night gentlemen. sorry i couldnt stay up longer. we'll talk again tomorrow. April 13 at 11:24pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson smile April 13 at 11:25pm
Mhitu Heru Night elder be prepared for the truth when the light of ra rises tomorrow. April 13 at 11:28pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Yes Mhitu....he should be prepared for the Truth when the light of Ra rises tomorrow...because with the blessings of the ancestors....I will be rising with him...and of all people...I will be posting. I've let the cubs play with Kevin long enough (smile). April 14 at 1:17am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson morning gentleman. April 14 at 8:21am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson apedemak, you said that blavatsky didnt understand "correctly. this is interesting because most of what you believe about the bible and christ was developed by her. she is the first person in history to come up with the christ is a myth theory in which she uses one of the last forms of the osirian myth in her book "Isis Unveiled" which is the very same form of the myth that you ascribe to. http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm blavatsky the satanist was also the first person to develope the 7 tier theory which is also part of kemetic reconstructionism http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html as near as i can tell,your bellief system is exactly like the one she developed. April 14 at 9:52am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson mhitu, you mentioned the light of ra. did you know that phrase was also used for horus? in pre-dynastic egypt they were invaded, the victors then brought in horus who was there god. in one of the earliset forms of the horus myth he was the brother of osiris and sethttp://www.egyptartsite.com/hormyth.html as i said before it was common for the egyptians to change their myths whenever they saw fit so then the original forms of the myths have all but been forgotten. ACTUALLY THE CORRECT STATEMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN "WHEN THE LIGHT OF TMU RISES TOMORROW" it was tmu in the morning ,then ra at noon and finally harmachi in the evening. April 14 at 11:02am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson one other thing that you should all know is that the egyptians borrowed /inherited osiris,isis and horus from the ethiopians. http://tseday.wordpress.com/category/mythology/page/2/ egypt was colonized by the ethiopians http://tseday.wordpress.com/category/mythology/page/2/ the ethiopians were preceded by the nabta and the nabta made a astronomical clock more sophisticated than anything in egypt about 4,000yrs before egypt was civilized. http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptnabta.htmthe nabta were a subsahran people from the west. as i have said before egypt is not the crowning achievement of our race, they were just a colony of our greater civilization that started in west africa, the zinghhttp://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000849.html who i believe to be the creators of the antikythera mechanism http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_4.htm which neither the greeks or the egyptians possed the technology to make at any time in their history. one other thing mhitu said it there was no moses there was no christ. well egyptian history proves that there was a moses but it also proves that there was a noah. you will be pleased to know that the writer of aesiops fables was none other than taharka aesiopis http://www.viewzone.com/thyia.html who was an ethiopian who said that he was a descendant of noah. April 14 at 6:14pm
Mhitu Heru I formerly hand the duty of opening my elders eyes to my elder brother and scholarly senior shakka. I could drag on but its not being right thats important its potency and you are more equip for this dialogue. Please teach and i will learn how to better teach from you SHAKKA. April 14 at 6:55pm
Mhitu Heru To Elder
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thank you for i enjoyed our previous dialogue and you are my family. April 14 at 7:13pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Yes Mhitu...I will show you. April 14 at 7:15pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Just keep watching (smile). April 14 at 7:15pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson whats with this 'opening my elders eyes" stuff? excuse me but i know a lot more than you think i do. just because i dont agree with you it doesnt mean that my reason for doing so is an emotional one. in fact its quite the opposite. although i appreciate the kindness and respect that you have shown me,please dont patronize me;its insulting. arrogance does not become either of us. let us humbly respect that each of us may now something that the other does not. April 14 at 7:28pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson You are my family as well mhitu April 14 at 7:29pm
Mhitu Heru MANY PATHS ONE GOAL RESPECT EARNED. April 14 at 7:33pm
Mhitu Heru I STILL STAND FOR MY ANCESTORS AND ELDERS. BEFORE ANY OTHER. April 14 at 7:35pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson mhitu, you are a gentleman and a scholar but i dont think you really know who your ancestors are. dont get me wrong, i'm as pro-africa as any of you in fact probably more than most. it just that i believe in devolution. now as mhitu has said if the some one from the old test did not exist then the christ must have not existed either. one of the famous women in the bible was Queen Esther. her story along with that of her uncle, the evil haman, and her famous husband, the king has an entire book devoted to it. well this is her tomb which the jew hating iranian government had to make a national monument because the woman and her husband were loved by the people. http://www.farsinet.com/hamadan/esther.html since moses and esther are real people then according to mhitu's logic,christ must have been real as well. April 15 at 1:06am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Have you ever heard of Equal Distance spacing codes? http://www.bibleprobe.com/jesuscode.htm from the 52 through the 53 chpt of isaiah this code can be found. anyone can read it wiht just a basic worknig know ledge of hebrew letters. this code mentions,place of birth,names of all disciples,place of death and much more. who say's the bible doesnt mention christ by name in the old testament? April 15 at 1:20am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson There are those who have said that there is no mention of any historian that christ existed befroe the nicean council. Apparently they either didnt do any real research or purposely omitted the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6idIZ8Fydcs&feature=related the truth is that a lot of historians of the time,including some who were very anti-christ actually wrote of him. April 15 at 5:14pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson here are some of the historians own words for you to read for yourselves. http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_historicity_secular_commentary.html The most important historical record of the existance of christ is a letter written by Pontius Pilate to the Empore Tiberius, a copy of which is in the British Museum of History http://www.kingdomoflight.org/i_have_in_my_possession_a_copy_o.htm it has also been said that none of the apostles ever existed as well. Here are some of the locations of their tombs http://www.sacred-destinations.com/sacred-sites/graves-tombs-shrines.html it has been said that the new testament was not written by the apostle but hundreds of years after. the truth is that all of the books were written within 75yrs of the ressurection http://carm.org/manuscript-evidence In fact when compared to the manuscript evidence of other books, the new testament stands heads and shouldres above the rest. it has also been said that the piso family wrote the new testament. several claims by several web sites are debunked on this page http://www.tektonics.org/lp/pisocake.html some of those same peole have made also made the claim that shakespear wrote parts of the bible. This is also a false claim that is dispelled on this page http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspxcategory=13&article=925 Perosnally i also believe that the king james bible isnt what it should be so i read the bible that he wanted burned, the geneva bible http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html Let me conclude by going back over what we know now. Fisrt of all the whole idea and all of the teachings of kemetic reconstructionism is exactly identical to the teachings of the satanist, H. B. Blavatsky. The original myth of osiris was borrowed from the Ethiopians and its details have long since been forgotten. The priest of heilopolis who never wrote anything down, frequently change the myths at a moments notice. Egypt was a colony of ethiopia and not technologically superior to the civilizations that existed over 6,000yrs before it , such as the Nabta or the Zingh. The Egyptian Taharka Aesiopis said that he was a decendant of Noah which then proves that there was a noah. we have also learned that serapis was not the prototype for christ and that the specifics of none of the ancient myths are similar to the life of christ. There are historical and arecheological records of abraham, moses,queen esther and many others including the apostles. We have learned that the bible was written closer in time to the original events than any other book in history. We have learned that the writers of the bible were not members of the Piso family. We have also learned that there are no biblical contradictions. Hopefully some of you understand that what you have been told is untrue. April 15 at 6:03pm · Like
Mhitu Heru 1.If you find a disputant while he is hot, do not despise him because you are not of the same opinion. Be not angry against him when he is wrong; away with such a thing. He fights against himself; require him not further to flatter your feelings. Do not amuse yourself with the spectacle which you have before you; it is odious, it is mean, it is the part of a despicable soul so to do. As soon as you let yourself be moved by your feelings, combat this desire as a thing that is reproved by the great. 2.If you are one of those who bring the messages of one great man to another, conform yourself exactly to that wherewith he has charged you; perform for him the commission as he has enjoined you. Beware of altering in speaking the offensive words which one great person addresses to another; he who perverts the trustfulness of his way, in order to repeat only what produces pleasure in the words of every man, great or small, is a detestable person. 3.Do not repeat any extravagance of language; do not listen to it; it is a thing which has escaped from a hasty mouth. If it is repeated, look, without hearing it, toward the earth; say nothing in regard to it. Cause him who speaks to you to know what is just, even him who provokes to injustice; cause that which is just to be done, cause it to triumph. As for that which is hateful according to the law, condemn it by unveiling it. 4.If you are annoyed at a thing, if you are tormented by someone who is acting within his right, get out of his sight, and remember him no more when he has ceased to address you. MY ANCESTOR PTAH HOTEP April 15 at 8:25pm
Mhitu Heru 2200 BEFORE.CHRIST.EXISTED April 15 at 8:25pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson How is he your ancestor? Were your parents from egypt? April 15 at 8:32pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY, ONE DOMINANT FACT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD. THE FACT IS THAT, TO THIS DAY, THERE IS NO HISTORICAL DATA OR BIOGRAPHY IN EXISTENCE TO SUBSTANTIATE THE LIFE AND TIMES OF A JESUS THE CHRIST. AS JOHN L. MCKENZIE, S.J., STATES IN HIS BOOK, "DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE," PAGE 432: "THE WRITING OF THE LIFE OF JESUS HAS BEEN THE MAJOR PROBLEM OF NEW TESTAMENT SCHOLARSHIP FOR MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS; AFTER NUMEROUS SHIFTS OF OPINION, THE CONSENSUS CANNOT BE WRITTEN. THE REASON IS THAT THE DATA FOR A HISTORICAL BIOGRAPHY DO NOT EXIST...THE ONLY SOURCES OF THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF JESUS ARE THE FOUR GOSPELS. THE CONTENTS OF THE APOCRYPHAL GOSPELS ARE HISTORICALLY WORTHLESS." THE MEANING OF THE WORD APOCRYPHAL IS "FICTITIOUS BOOKS OF UNCERTAIN AUTHORSHIP," SUCH AS THE FOUR APOCRYPHAL GOSPELS OF MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, AND JOHN.(from the Historical Origins Of Christianity by Walter Williams) April 15 at 11:55pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta you have obviously not read the information in the links that i posted earlier. its always been amusing how some guy who lived 2,000 yrs after christ can say he didnt exist, because those who hated him enough to demand his blood never said that he didnt exist. read the authenticated letter from pontius pilate to the empore tiberius recounting the story of the arrest, trial ,execution and ressurection of christ;it matches the gospel record exactly. now as far as dr williams is concerned i wathced him in a debate that was ficticiously dilled by some kemetic as having occured last october. in it williams makes several statements that are just flat out lies. i was shocked and talked to the kemetic brothers about the deception in the video and they removed it. dont ever think that these so-called black leaders are so passionate about giving you truth. they are men and as such they are capable of loving a dollar more than they do you. look at ashwer kwesi. he was elling books, giving tour, doing conferences and making big money until some guy calls him out and say's that he lied about the paralles between christ and myths and he could prove it. http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html once kwesi's followers found out they began trying to get in touch with him to find out the truth. kwesi wont return any of their calls or answer any of their questions and these were his main supporters. personally i had the same experience with ray hagins. i was in a debate with some kemetics and showed them how christ never would have worn his hari long and that the image of serapis wasnt invented by ptolemy and that serapis was in fact the greek god hades. hagins takes one look at the information and leaves the debate without answering one question or explaining why he lied. the brothers repeatedly tried to get him to respond to him and as of now,6 weeks later, mr hagins still wont account for himself. read the pages attached to my links about the historicity of christ and see how there are many who are lying to you guys with not a pang of conscience. April 16 at 12:59am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sorry wrong link for kwesi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvQbPqlkkFI&feature=related this video shows kesi lying like a dog with fles. so wether its dr williams ,kweis, hagins or some crooked-ass preacher trying to get you to tithe investigate these people dont just assume they are on your side April 16 at 1:02am · Like Joseph Spruill let me try a different approach..lets just say that Jesus didn't come from Sarapis and that all the information on the subject is a little off or what have you..lets just eliminate Ptolemy I,Solter and all of that..not to mention Solter means "SAVIOR" by the way"what a coincident"but anyway you would honestly tell me even just by looking at the imagery alone and what each of these figures represented in there respective time that one wasn't heavily influenced by the other..brother I'm just using mere common sense,I'm not posting any links or any of that,I don't need verification on the obvious,it's time we think practically.."I KNOW A REMIX WHEN I SEE ONE"whether Jesus was Sarapis or Sarapis was Jesus so be it,but it's nodoubt that looking at this with even a bad keen eye minus emotional attachment that they are both one in the same"GIVE A FEW ,TAKE A FEW" or should I say they are both a different formula for the same objective"CONTROL" So we all know Sarapis is fictitious so "YOU FILL IN THE BLANKS" I'm by no way a professed scholar of any type but I'm no a fool either..so that brings me to a Dr Williams quote..he said you can take a name, give the name a birthdate and attach a story to it and the name becomes alive..I USED TO BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS BEFORE I CAUGHT MY MOTHER PUTTING GIFTS UNDER THE TREE,I'm by no means trying to be condescending just illustrating a point..I said I wouldn't,but I think I will post a link for clarity,this is just a example of what we accept as the truth today which is indeed false..this is what you call real modern day history altering,just imagine how many of these people are spread throughout history,remember whoever writes history controls it..my position is "practical thought "link will follow HOTEP!!! April 16 at 5:09am Joseph Spruill by the way the article I posted the link on,it's obvious they still have a distorted view on history & them fools altered history from a already altered history lol April 16 at 5:26am Joseph Spruill also I'm a music producer so I have this natural born ability for identifying remixes whether it be musically or historically lol but much respect Mr Johnson this is my final 2 cents HOTEP!! April 16 at 5:40am
Kenyetta Bethea Kevin, You are living 2000 years after Jesus and you are sure that he DID exist. It is absurd to believe that a man as miraculous as Jesus walked this Earth and the only record of him having done so is the Gospels, which are apocryphal and not a first hand account. As far as the Gospels and the Letter from Pilate to Tiberius is concerned, the Gospels don't even match the Gospels, so to say that the letter matches the Gospels I would have to ask which one? I guess Walter Williams and Madam Blavatsky went back in time and carved the statue of the Goddess Auset and Heru(Madonna and Child). I have skimmed some of your earlier post. You seem to be in possession of a version of Christianity I have never heard of( I know you believe in Christ but don't consider yourself a Christian). Are there others like you? How did you become the sole adherent to a belief system that does not exist in history? Which church do you attend (Forgive me If I am being presumptuous). You say you believe in devolution, but you believe the Gospels(Greek) remain closer to our African roots than Africans themselves. April 16 at 7:29am
Kenyetta Bethea It seems that if our exalted elders were seeking to be opportunist they would preach the Gospels instead of preaching against them. Saying that Walter Williams and others are simply trying to sell books does not make what they say less true. You seem to have missed the fact that even though my post came from Walter Williams book, It was actually quoting another source. I guess its not always black leaders who are capable of loving a dollar more than they love me. If a white person says it, its because they love Satan. If a black man says it, its because they love a dollar. Your love for Jesus is your motivation April 16 at 8:00am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson unfortunately u gentleman are arriving late to the discussion and have missed a lot. i suggest that you actually read what i have said and the pages attatched to the links that i posted. in light of those things what you're both saying sounds a bit ridiculous. joseph u talk about logic but then u dont use it. if christ was not here and not he person described in the book then the enemies and the followers of his enemis would have written volumes about how much of a lie it was. u see, when u use logic u should not just pay attention to what is said u should also pay attentin to what is not said as well. however as i stated before,there are tons of well respected non-christian historians who in fact do say that he existed. http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_historicity.html un dont realize this but you're repeating the teachings of hagins and kwesi,who simply were repeating what the "SATANIST" blavatsky said in her book "Isis Unveiled" http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm the whole kemetic position on christ is exactly the one that she laid out 125yrs ago. u even use the exact same form of the more than 6 different versions of the osirian myth. interestingly enough she uses the one where the one of the gods of the black man commits a homosexual act. not to mention the original myths of osiris ,isis, and horus dont even include each other.http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/egypt.htm not just that position but the teaching of the 7 tiers theory comes from her as well http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html all you're doing is regurgitating what she has said. as far as the four different gospels there is a reason for four gospels that you are unaware of. i shall post a link that will help you to understand that, the most obvious of which i will explain myself. its an expectant result when people testify at a trial that though all were eyewitnesses they all remember the same main facts but each recalls some particular event that the others were'nt impressed by or found profound. the other is that each was written to a different group. matthew/jews,thats why it talks so much about fulfilled prophecy. mark/roman citizens thats why it often say and then he did this or that,romans only respected strong and powerful men. luke/greeks that why its written in the best greek of the day. john/poor of the orient thats why its simple with a large amount of unisyllabic words. http://www.padfield.com/1999/gospels. and if you look here html http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark/why-are-there-different-genealogies-jesus-matthew-1-and-luke-3 there's also a reason for two geneologies as well April 16 at 11:38am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea All You are doing is trying to play the devils advocate. You have already stated your dislike for Kemet, so I see that its hate that motivates you(not understanding) and hate can often blind. I personally have never read madam Blavatsky. The seasons and the movement of the sun is all I need to show that Jesus was associated with the Sun as were other deities before him. Try all you want to separate Jesus from the popular traditions that surround him, but the early church fathers assigned those attributes(dates of birth/resurrection) for a reason. Passover/last supper, its all astrological. Four gospels for four different peoples? Where does it say that in the Bible? Why the need to vary on matters such as who was with Mary Magdalene the morning of Jesus resurrection, or who rolled the stone away that blocked his tomb?Matthew 28:1-2 (King James Version)
1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mark 16:3-5 (King James Version)
3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
The stories differ from each other for no apparent reason. These are only two examples. You cannot explain that because there is no justification for it. I am sure you will continue to try, or post a link by someone who has already been plagued by these inconsistencies Your exegetical footwork is not that nice. April 16 at 2:21pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson excuse me kenyetta but when did i say i hated anything? 2nd of all your reading inot something as contradictory without using any logic whatsoever. you assume that in mark when they said "who shall roll the stone a way" that they didnt say it the first time. just because it wasnt written down doesnt mean it wasnt said. keep in mind that these books were wrttien some 20yrs after the event. logic say's and police officers will tell you that when all of the stories are exactly the same then someone has gotten together and made the story up. the fact that each has its own subtle little details that the others do not is more proof of accuracy and honesty. i tell you what, go to a friend and ask him about an event that the two of you shared 20yrs ago and i guarantee you that there will be a detail that one remembers that the other one does'nt. now if one of the accounts left the stone in front of the tomb and it never moved then the other said the stone was moved,that would be a contradiction. the fact that the stone was moved in both accounts is what is the overwhelming consistancy that you have ignored. you need to study something in detail before you attempt to claim its contradictory,its a much more credible form of critism. in the future before you attempt to suggest that there is a contradiction,you might be better served by using this site which list all of the alledged 143 biblical contradictions http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm#81 before you make assertions which are baseless. also your comment that these dates for these events were in fact created by the church fathers is an obvious by-product of your biblical ignorance. in fact the dates of these thing s occuring were parts of prophecies given hundreds of years before they happen and serve to prove that he is the christ because all the prophecies he literally fulfilled. http://www.100prophecies.org/page4.htm in fact the probability that any one person could fulfill the prophecies to a 1005 degree of accuray reaches the "Null hypothesis of the law of Compound Probability" simply put it was mathematically impossble, somewhat akin to you hitting the mega millions jackpot three weeks in a row. finally there is no sun worship with christ. by definition and the example of the egyptians , sun worship only occurs during the day and at night you worship some one else;just as the egyptians and others had done. there is the lack of understanding of poetic literatary lisence that is sometimes employed by the book that makes you have a difficult time in understanding why something is said a certain way. should you educate yourself in these matters then you would have the ability to determine what is being said and what is not. April 16 at 3:16pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sorry it took me so long to get back to you,i had to leave and just got back. April 16 at 3:17pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson in fact kenyetta let me give you the list of all of the myths that blavatsky and kemetics say that christ is from http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html and the list of the 16 so-called crucified saviours. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/308 that way you can study them at your lesure. after you go thruogh them you wont ever be confused by that teaching ever again April 16 at 3:22pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson one last thing i am motivated for my love of the truth and love of my people. that is why i do what i do. i dont like to see people pass off a lie as the truth and i will not sit back and watch my people be tricked into following satanism as is the attempt of kemetic recontructionism. dont you find it odd that in the so-called coffin text what are listed are "spells"? did you know that part of their method of teaching requires that your mind be programmed a little more each time they share a another supposed truth with you? http://www.egyptian-witchcraft.com/secret_spell.htm this is the basis of egyptian religion and what is being done to you April 16 at 3:32pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "One of the many reasons that i'm opposed to following kemet is i believe in devolution. and from what i have seen of them and in light of what i know their ancestory to be,they most definitely devolved into flat out pagan idolatry. the zingh and most of the sub-sahran civilizations were monotheist. yet kemet made gods of everything. again,devolution. so althoug they may have been superior to their contemporary civilizations , i believe they were basically morons compared to our true ancestors."-KPJ
" you assume that in mark when they said "who shall roll the stone a way" that they didnt say it the first time. ."-KPJ
You assume that they DID say it.
" keep in mind that these books were wrttien some 20yrs after the event. logic say's and police officers will tell you that when all of the stories are exactly the same then someone has gotten together and made the story up."-KPJ
I am very aware that Jesus is based on mere hearsay and second hand information. No police officer or DA would take a case to court based on such flimsy evidence as hearsay from four different witnesses who contradict each other April 16 at 3:33pm
Mhitu Heru The very blood in your veins is pissed of at the poison in your heart. Mhitu Heru April 16 at 3:34pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson oh really? then why are there so many who say that the evidence is mountainous including some powerful lwayers? http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-some-famous-thinkers-thought-of.html in the future you might be better served to make a comment that is supported by your vocation before you say what some one would or would not do. April 16 at 3:38pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson mhitu, how are you? brother the only poison is hate and as you know i may be a lot of things but hateful isnt one of them. i just understand that history and archeology disagree with egypt being th crown of the black mans glory. we were so much more than they were able to posses or exhibit April 16 at 3:41pm · Like
Mhitu Heru Source reference your experience im tired of these greek carbon copies for references this is fire ive been air in expansion for your fire i came with earth statistically grounding the facts i came as water being submissive receptive and fluid this is fire when we were being whipped into submission they taught us the bible when the pillaged our lodges they raped our men women and history. just to have a willie lynch slave try to rationalize the warriors into another tour of duty at the white mans table. got damn your philosophy of ignorance thats all. SHANGO(voice) April 16 at 3:42pm
Mhitu Heru i wont tip toe April 16 at 3:44pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Malachi 4:5-6 (King James Version)
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Matthew 17:10-13 (King James Version)
10And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Matthew 24:21-34 (King James Version)
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mark 9:1 (King James Version)
1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, THAT THERE BE SOME OF THEM THAT STAND HERE, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Prophecy unfulfilled!!! April 16 at 3:44pm
Kenyetta Bethea "i just understand that history and archeology disagree with egypt being th crown of the black mans glory"-KPJ
What archaeology? I bare witness to the greatness of Afraka as a whole. Kemet is where the vast amount of written record is located. I have yet to read any written record attributed to the Zingh or anything to suggest a West Afrakan origin for our people. I'm not saying that its not true. I am saying that the evidence points to the Great lakes region. April 16 at 3:50pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson oh yeah. mhitu i asked you,how is it that the egyptians are your ancestors? the records of the mass conversions of the egyptians to islam to avoid being sold as slaves in the 9th century, the records of the trans-atlantic and islamic slave trade disagree with you totally. this is a map of that trade and it shows that when moslems took slaves they sold them in arabia http://wysinger.homestead.com/mapofafricadiaspora.html no to mention that moslems very rarely bought male slaves and when they did a significant majority were castrated http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-thescourgeofslavery.htm and when the female slaves had children they were often murdered at birth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade ands this tells you that egyptians gave up their religion to avoid slavery and the tax for infidelshttp://www.answering-islam.org/history/islamization_egypt.html so it is impossible for you or anyone who is the decendent of a slave in america to be an ancestor of the egyptians April 16 at 3:55pm · Like
Mhitu Heru For whatever response you put id like to say on record i think you love the white man. I think you cried when tina marie died. i think you see it not being bad for the black man. i think you think its all right as long as we know when to buck dance a little. i think you think the white man invented intelligence. i think you wanted someone to go here with you. i think your still a slave to the myth of jesus. i think willie lynch has been successful with you. i think if this were defferent times you could rationalize beating your own family for massas daughter and a pork chop. i think you dont know what love is. if you try to teach our babies of jesus and his prophecy you are an ENEMY. You cant corner me or any conscious brother with the intellegence of a beast. BUCKDANCER HOODWINKED BAMBOOZELED AGENT ELDER GONE NAP NAP. IM DONE. April 16 at 3:56pm
Kenyetta Bethea Classifying other cultures as Polytheist or idol worship is very Eurocentric. I suggest you become more familiar with the different cultures of Afraka before you you label them as such and use it as an insult. Is Jesus not the idol or Heru, I mean hero that you worship? April 16 at 3:57pm
Kenyetta Bethea If you believe that Satan exist and believes he performed the many godlike miracles attributed to him in the Bible, you can no longer claim Christianity is monotheistic. April 16 at 4:02pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sorry kenyetta again your problem is biblical ignorance but dont feel bad about that as there are plenty of so-called christians who know equally a little as you do about the book. if you go to mark 9:2 you will see that he was transfiguered before them, this was the kingdom of god come with power. so if you would do as i suggested and study the book before you attempt to criticize it, you would not be tripped up so easily by such things April 16 at 4:04pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Matthew 24:29 (King James Version)
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Did any historians record that? I guess only Peter james and john can bare witness to what happened high up on that mountain. But the world should have been able to see that. April 16 at 4:14pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson mhitu i was waiting for these comments but i never thought i'd hear them coming from you. but no matter they have finally arrived as i knew they would. it is the habit of the kemmetics to brand any black person who does not agree with them as being uncle toms ,lovers of the white man,etc,etc. its been done to me before by your kemetic friends. but at this point i go back to what i have always said;sometimes you can find out more by listening to what isnt said more so than what is said. you never said that what you believe is different then what the satanist blavatsky taught,as you can not;its the same teachings. you have substituted personal attacks for lack of facts that disprove your belief system is the same as blavatsky. kenyetta, when have i said that my forefathers were polytheist? in fact the truth is that our ancestors were monotheist. it is you that need to research our peoples history more because here is were you have bought the white mans lie as i have not. as to the idol worship,sir i worship no idol but interestingly enough the culture of kemet is rife with that very thing. finders petrie ,who is called the father of systematic archeology agree's with what i have said on both accounts http://egyptian-gods.org/the-religion-of-ancient-egypt/ if you read a little you will find out that all polytheistic cultures devolved out of montheistic ones April 16 at 4:26pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta, the tribulation has not come yet so what in the world are you talking about? wow! April 16 at 4:27pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta the magicians of egypt performed god like miracles, so again what are you talking about?? your conversation is beginning to border on the absurb. the ability to manipulate physical principles of matter doesnt make one god. the ability to never sin is what makes god, god April 16 at 4:29pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Why has it not come? He said that there will be people standing their that will not taste death before these things happen. He said this generation will not pass. Prophecy unfulfilled!!! April 16 at 4:35pm
Kenyetta Bethea Maybe you are not as familiar with your Greek Masters piece as you think. April 16 at 4:37pm
Kenyetta Bethea Kemetic civilization is sacredly based, and its religion more, cosmic, mythic, and symbolic in intent. The mathematical, astronomical, and philosophical knowledge of the Kemites, even the material colossus that was Kemet, were products of a total conception of the universe as spirit. it is for this reason that Kemet remains a puzzle to the European mind. The African apprehension of the universe as cosmic harmony simply represents a philosophic approach that defies the European world view
The church represented a structure of authority that had to be monolithic. If God is One, then there can only be one church, and only one representative of the God in the community-The Bishop. This one god became the basis for the power of "One emperor(Constantine) of the one civilization(Rome) as well. Belief in him gave the emperor authority to conquer all nonbelievers in his name(Yurugu)
Not to turn toward the philosophical. Just thought i would throw that in there because the romans and all Europeans after them used their so called modern logic(which monotheism happens to be a part of) as justification of all people it deemed to be primitive and backwards(Polytheistic, Pagan, idol worshipers, etc.) One need only look at the policy of manifest destiny to see it. April 16 at 4:41pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta, i'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong. perhaps you should take your time and "read" what i said. the transfiguration was the fulfillment of them seeing the kingdom of god, in that they saw christ in his glorified state. hence,transfigured. so then they saw what he said they would see before they would die,prophecy fulfilled. and by the way, i have no master but christ. i would like to say that i will not engage in what you are trying to do which is the subtle attacks on ones character or person. if you choose to stoop that low then be my guest. it in no way difuses the position that the teaching of kwesi, hagins and the other kemetics is a continuation of the teaching of the satanist blavatsky, who was close with men like budge and massey, two occultist that the kemetic reconstructionist so frequently qoute and apparently with no knowledge of the satanic connections that these men had with blavatsky. so perhaps you would be better off tring to understand how you have been sold a lie, than trying to attack my character, cognitive skills, education, ability to reason or study of our peoples history. for instance what do you know of the jola http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jola_people they were and are monotheist. do us both a favor and find out what information contradicts what you say before you present it to me therefore you will appear to ask questions which are irrelevant and meaningless April 16 at 4:55pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as i am not opposed to answering the sincere objections of those who believe what they do i feel it unecessary and tedious to answer questions from those who have not done their home-work but instead chose to parrot the teachings of the afore mentioned leaders of kmetic reconstructionism. it is better for you to look these things up your self and not depend on some one else to provide you your talking points April 16 at 4:59pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Sensitive are we? I am not talking about what you said. i am showing you what the Bible says.
i see you are well versed in apologetics, so i know your response to this already, as i have had this discussion with believers in christ many times. but why do the Gospels give different versions of Christ at his cruci-fiction. One describes him in agony and dripping with sweat, another as resolved.
Matthew 27:46 (King James Version)
46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Luke 23:46 (King James Version)
46And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John 2:3-4 (King James Version)
3And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
To the Afrakan, talking to ones mother in such a way is a crime April 16 at 5:08pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I meant sin not crime. So I guess Jesus fails your god test April 16 at 5:09pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson are you not reading what i'm saying at all. monotheism is the product of the earliest civilizations which were all black. therefor how could monotheism be the creation of the europeans? what your saying does'nt make sense at all! if what kemet was or is a puzzle to the european mind thats not a concern to me as it is not a puzzle to me. egypt was a colony of ethiopia in fact the second attempt due to the first colony did not survive. egypt got most of their gods from other religions and finally all of what you said about astrology and numerology is a regurgitation of what blavatsky taught 125yrs ago if you read the attached page you will find everything you just said http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html so then nothing that you are saying is original and it was started by a satanist. so if you want to keep defending and following the teachings of that person thats fine with me but be assured that the similarities in what she taught and what you believe will always be pointed out to the best of my abilities April 16 at 5:09pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I know that monotheism is Afrakan. i am saying that it is the European imperative to classify other cultures as polytheist. Any of those early Afrakan civilizations you speak of would be classified as polytheistic to the European and that is what YOU are doing with Kemet April 16 at 5:12pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i guess if you dont understand the context what was said or how the translation of languages often changes the meaning behind the words then you would not understand whats being said. mary was made the bunt of jokes from the time of his brth as she claimed that he was virgin born. her asking of him this miracle was a request to absolve her of this ridicule. his hour to prove that his mother was not lying had not come, but if you notice his words on the cross he say's "woman behold your son" April 16 at 5:15pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta you are wrong again. the man that wrote that article was a white man, so how you arrive at that conclusion must be from listening to unintelligent people who dont know what they're talking about. April 16 at 5:16pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I am speaking about European culture as a whole, not one specific white man April 16 at 5:18pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson additionally i dont have to try and make egypt the land of polytheism,it was that on its own. all you have to do is look at all the different gods they had, atum, hathor, ra, mendes,set, horus, isis, osiris, etc, etc. thats polytheism at its best. thats who they were so dont get upset with me for pointing it out. this is just basic high school religious history April 16 at 5:19pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea In what context would you ever refer to your mother as WOMAN, behold your son. Son should behold his mother. Again that is another characteristic of european culture April 16 at 5:20pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea European high school! April 16 at 5:21pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Why should i be upset with your ignorance April 16 at 5:22pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea " i'm saying at all. monotheism is the product of the earliest civilizations which were all black."
Name one. And was this monotheistic Afrakan deity male, female, or both? Just curious, because as i understand it most Afrakans and non-Europeans dealt with a cosmology, which dealt with a multiplicity of agencies acting on behalf of the whole(Unity/oneness) April 16 at 5:36pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i didnt know that you had a Phd in sociology? for how else would you be able to suggest what european culture as a whole believes? who say's he called her woman? thats another one of those translated words that lacks the original thought and intention of what was said. again listen to what wasnt said. no one said "oh my, did you hear how he spoke to his mother?" thats because they didnt attach the same negative conatation to the statement that you have. the word he used was gune (goo-nay) which is from the root word ginomai (ghin-om-ahee) which was a term that specified a title to a woman like ,wife, sister or mother. as i said before to attack the fact that i went to a european high school is simply a head-fake to turn the attention away from how all of what you believe is from teachings of the satanist blavatsky. as you can see, i dont attack you i attack the lies that you have believed. you make yourself appear bitter and angry by attacking me for i am a black man who has experienced more racism than you can imagine and i have paid my dues for my people. i risked my education at that "european high school" by marching ,demonstrating, protesting and rioting to get african american history and literature included in the ciriculem. there were 250 black students in this 2,000 student school. our demands were met and the african american history club that i staterd as a sophmore in 1973 is still present and active in that same predominately white school. i also started our own seperate student body to assure that the black students would be able to raise money for their senior trip and have a voice in school functions. i was the first and only oresident of the "black clas of 1976" i won every election until my senior year when i was voted in by consensus. so i have no peers on this page as to what i have done for my people starting as a child April 16 at 5:39pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Funny, when Europeans speak of their own culture, they speak of it as a whole, but when someone criticizes it, they say you cant judge us all the same, lol. Ginomai is Greek. So you must be acknowledging the Greekness of your so called Holy scripture. April 16 at 5:50pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i just gave you the jola April 16 at 6:04pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson that was the greek translation from the new testament. it was meant ot make the point that language can be difficult ot translate and that often the meanings of some words as well as the thought behind them can not always be transferred with the word April 16 at 6:07pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson in referrence to the european culture, when did i say us? i simply said that to my knowledge you were not qualified to make a sociological analysis of what they or for that matter any group of people beleived April 16 at 6:10pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson understandablly as you are faced with the truth that all which you have been taught by the kemetic reconstructionist is based on the teachings of blavatsky and men like massey and budge (all of which are white people) instead of rethinking and researching those lies you are instead attacking me and anything else that will take the focus off of the satanic roots of kemetic reconstructionism. thats cool too. but it does not change the facts that all which i have said concerning your beLIEfe system is the same teachings of the satanist blavatsky. you should also be made aware that helen bailey,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey a close student of blavatsky was one of the driving forces behind the theosophical societyhttp://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Alice_Bailey.htm of whoms teachings you also unknowingly follow exactly as they taught it April 16 at 6:27pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea compare the crimes of the Church and their Greek fathers to whomever you wish to attribute my teachings to and we will see who the true "satanist' are. April 16 at 6:37pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson can you possibly be saying that the outright worship of satan which is what the founder of your belief system did is the same as men who do evil and hide behind the name of a good man? are you saying that the teachings of blavatsky,who openly worshipped satan, and so do you i might add wether you know it or not,it is the same as christ who went about doing good? April 16 at 6:49pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you really should do more research before you attempt to make a point. especially about brutality. the egyptians were as brutal as anyone else in history http://www.egyptology.nl/cultlang/tender.html so although no inhumanity to ones fellow man is justifiable the capriciousness of the brutallity of the egyptians is not rivaled by any other culture known to man April 16 at 6:56pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson so when you compare evil, compare apples to apples. try comparing the catholic church(who i detest) with the theocratic kingdom of the egyptians and you'll find that they are all playing in the same league. in fact the egyptians batted first April 16 at 6:59pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson by the way i am not attributing your teachings to anyone. i am simply giving credit for the doctrines that you believe in to the person who wanted it, blavatsky. did you know that the person who came up with your belief system was also the inspiration behind hitlers "final solution "http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm or that part of what she got out of the ancient egyptian religion was the basis for aryanism http://www.scribd.com/doc/39628566/Blue-Blood-Blavatsky-the-Rise-of-Luciferian-Aryanism look into what you're getting into before you jump in. i know how much we want freedom but following satan wont get it for us April 16 at 7:05pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea What I am saying is compare the crimes of Christians to any satanist(whom I lay no claims to) you can think of and the results may shock you as to who has actually been doing the work of "Satan". You cannot compare the contributions of Kemet and the rest of Africa with the death and destruction caused by the followers of the so called prince of peace (Various Popes, Mussolini, Hitler, etc.). Blavatsky may have been a Satanist, but the contributions of Africa, which Egypt happens to be a part of, is far from Satanic. Who was it but Christians that decimated the populations found in the Americas and Australia(all in the name of saving and proselytizing) Claim to detest the catholic church all you want, but as the brother Shakka says, you cannot separate mother from daughter.
The view that the Bible has of women has contributed to many atrocities, from the murder of Hypatia to the Salem witch hunts.
Matthew 15:22-27 (King James Version)
22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
If the real Christians had no part in the creation of the European empire and are not responsible for the inequities perpetuated by it, then one is forced to ask, where are they, and where have they been? (Yurugu) April 16 at 8:51pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea The idea or claim of the resurrection of Jesus provided a source of authority for his earthly successor: Peter. It was crucial that some such claim be possible given the fact that the leader or absolute authority within the movement was gone, and hundreds of people were claiming to interpret his teachings in almost as many different ways. In order for Peter to be the established "rock" or foundation of a structured, institutionalized organization, all other groups had to be discredited. What better way than through his actual contact with a physically resurrected Jesus who had explicitly given him authority to begin the institutionalization of his (Jesus) teachings(Yurugu)
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It is quite clear, even from his own words, that the Christian cause gave Constantine a powerful tool with which to unify Rome under his control and conquer those not yet within his Empire.(Yurugu)
Why should a people who were non-Christians and who were slaughtering Christians become Christians themselves and begin to slaughter their brothers and sisters in order to make them so(Yurugu)
Its obvious that the Romans found a a home for its imperialistic drives in Christianity. The romans became the wolves in sheep(Jesus the lamb) clothing. April 16 at 9:07pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "simply said that to my knowledge you were not qualified to make a sociological analysis of what they or for that matter any group of people beleived"
Are you saying that i would require an education from a European school in order to speak on European culture? Would it be even better if i was a member of a Greek lettered fraternity. My brother I think it is you who is beginning to slip into the realms of absurdity. April 16 at 9:15pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I'm done, My apologies to the brother Shakka for cluttering up your post. April 16 at 9:17pm · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu No apologies necessary Kenyatta. When I return...Kevin is not going to enjoy it...trust me (smile). I'm letting him enjoy himself. The more of his assertions that I destroy here (and yes I'm going to flat out level ALL OF THEM) the less I have to annhilate elsewhere. This was the reason I tagged him in the photo in the first place....said the Kemetic spider about the Christian fly (smile). Have you ever seen a fly once it's been caught in a web? Prepare for the 'shaking' of the web as Kevin does his best to free himself from the onslaught coming his way (smile). I does this (smile). Hotep. April 16 at 9:45pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson once again kenyetta you are parroting the thoughts other people with no signs of indvidual thought of your own. thats what you did when you were qouting the kemetic doctrine. as you can see that was definitely a mistake as you were qouting satan's servant. thats not good brother. what do you know of this person,yurugo? if you rely on the written statements of others to represent your thoughts then its they who are thinking for you. i simply make "my" point and then back it up with the writtings of historians, archeologist and experts on the fiields on which i speak. as far as what schools you went to, thats irrelevant. i dint belong to any of the fraternities in college either. what i am saying is that it is obvious from your dialogue that you have a limited sphere from which you speak and that there is want in not only your knowledge of eroupean culture as well. when you asked which of our ancestors was monotheistic, that said volumes about your lack of understanding as to who we are, therfore if you dont know enough about the culture of our forefathers to understand that all cultures in africa started out as monotheist and then devolved into polytheism, then logic would dictate that you would be less than qualified as to speak to the cultural mindset of any other group. April 16 at 9:45pm · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Keep it coming Kevin (smile). April 16 at 9:47pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you see this is exactly what i meant http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=YURUGU ttthe god with egg on his face? come on brother think for yourself and stop being a puppet. my dear brother shakka, your fight is with the mountains of evidence that link kemetic reconstructionism and theosophy to the satanist blavatsky. as this page shows the obvious link between the two. http://sites.google.com/site/templeofkemeticwicca/kemeticism you can not disassociate the teachings which you follow from the satanist blavastsky by attacking me. all of your doctrine including the version of the osirian myth that you believe in comes from her. nor can you substantiate the christ myth theory ,another of blavatsky's creations, as archeology and history,in some cases egyptian history speaks against you. if you wish to disprove what i have said, then you must be able to bring credible and not isolated, fringe speakers as your evidence; like dr williams,budge, and massey, as these have all been found to have serious chinks in their armor. your success or lack thereof will be determined by how well you fair against them, not me. so i will keep it coming as you requested. April 16 at 10:01pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta, i find it interesting that instead of you bringing proof to disassociate your teachings from the satanist you in turn say "well look at what they did". as if to say, "so what i'm following a satanist you are following evil people too", again so much is said by the absence of words that silence can be deafening. you see the problem for you is this,for as many instances of evil done by those who call themselves christians as you can find, i can find good done by the same number. that is not the test. the test is the god that we serve. christ never sinned. not one of the gods of kemet can say that, nor can they say that they forgive you of your sins. you must have your heart weighed against the feather of osiris and hope that you can escape the weight of your sins. i toss the brick of my sins on the scale and christ say's that his grace and mercy outweigh my sins. osiris offer no forgiveness of sins and nor do any of the other gods of kemet. i feel sorry for people like harriet tubman, sorjourner truth and others who risked their lives for the freedom of our people. they were believers in christ and fought so that you could grow up free and you have thanked them by attacking the very god that they say gave them the strength and courage to endure. and then you have the nerve to talk about how black you are and how much you are in to the history of our people. how ironic is that? April 16 at 10:18pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson and shakka i have a word for you that has nothing to do with religion at all. its about your profession. rapper,huh? have you ever stopped to think that when a child aspires to do what you do that they will never have their true gifts exercised? they will never have to learn to sing,play an instrument, read music,write music or use any of the many talents and gifts that the majority of the black people in the sixties and seventies put to great use and made music that has still found no equal. you are the white man's pawn and dont even know it because what you do takes very little talent or skill and its very existance assures white america that there will never be another black person who takes all of the record sales away from white performers. when our children see you and want to be like you, it means that we will never have people like stevie wonder who could record an entire album while playing all the instruments on it oranother prince, michael jackson or scores of others,ever again. people, whose record sales broke records and dominated the industry. nope, our children see you and they think that all they have to do is be half-way articulate and say"ugh" at the right time and they're a hit. how sad is that? you're a pawn and dont even know it. April 16 at 10:41pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I had to respond to the attack on the Hip hop. (I myself am a producer emcee). I already know that Shakka will defend himself very well.( I can't wait) Some rappers play instruments and read music. How one musician gets down has no bearing on what others do.
Control , technical precision, and theoretical complexities are valued in European classical music, rhythm and tonal variation are primary concerns in African music, and the symphony therefore has limited aesthetic potential to the African ear. What few have understood, however, is that the African predilection for rhythm in its various complexities is not happenstance, but is intimately bound to African melanated bio-chemistry and to the cosmic nature of the African world-view. (Yurugu)
In the west, an artist of African descent who has somehow miraculously inherited the genius of her culture, via her "ancestral memory," and plays without ever studied the tools of the European, is an embarrassment. It is like European science being confronted by the astronomical knowledge of the Dogon people. It exist, but it shouldn't!(Yurugu)
European Ballet is control in the sense of the restriction and precise extension of muscles, according to an exact preconceived and prescribed form. But the African dancer gains mastery paradoxically by developing the ability to allow his/her body to express perceived/felt universal life force within: that which we know as rhythm.
The European aesthetic set in ideological context of European culture oppresses, distorts, and strangles the African spirit. The European aesthetic wedded to a materialist conception of perfect mathematical proportion, defines the African as excessive. Her spirit is "too much"; she is to emotional, too dark; her nose is to broad. And as the African attempts to conform to the restrictions of European ballet she is constantly reminded that the buttocks is to rounded, too shapely, too pronounced!
For decades little African girls have been taught to hate their natural selves as they studied a dance form created to express th e European utamaroho(vital force of a culture) and to simultaneously discredit the aesthetic viability of not only other cultures but of other human forms! Straighten your hair so that it can be pulled up into a bun(even if it is not long enough). "Tuck your behind under, so that the profile of your body is as straight as possible!"(Yurugu)
i just happen to be studying this book right now. Its all about you Kevin April 16 at 11:29pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson still a parrot i see. no individual thought whatsoever=pawn April 16 at 11:31pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson like i said personal attaacks on me are just a diversion from the fact that you have been exposed and have no way of defending the fact that your belief system has been given to you by white satanist. brother,you control people by controlling their arts! http://artlessonsfromgod.com/2011/04/06/creative-people-can-actually-control-people/ WAKE UP!! April 16 at 11:37pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as it is written "forever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth" April 16 at 11:48pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea as it is written? Did you write the Gospels? I guess I am not the only parrot on this thread. LOL April 16 at 11:55pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson uhm. i hate to tell you this but that statement isnt from the gospels. so dont lol too fast. you should do yourself a favor and study something before you attempt to critique it. its helpful if you want ot be taken serious. April 16 at 11:58pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I never said it came from the Gospels. I am saying that since the Gospels are your only source of information regarding the life of the made up creature named Jesus the Christ. The fact that you assert his existence makes you a parrot of the Bible. April 17 at 12:01am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea The honor to Ptolemy V, Epiphanes (Eucharistos), is being used to this very day in the Roman Catholic church and other religious institutions and is called the "Epiphany" or "Little Christ" or "Little Christmas" It is celebrated from December 26 through January 6, which is called the "twelfth night." THIS EXPLAINS THE HISTORICAL ORIGINS OF THE EPIPHANY-Walter Williams(The Historical Origins of Christianity)
"Christianity" is a configuration of values, attitudes and behavior that are inseparable from the history of Europe.(Yurugu)
If you can post links from every European Christian(Ben Stanshope, lol) that supports your point. I can post quotes from Afrakan historians that support mine. Whether i am parroting or not, deal with the facts. April 17 at 12:11am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Matthew 7:18 (King James Version)
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Compare the fruits of kemet to that of Christian Europe April 17 at 12:11am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the larger question for all is now that you know that a gruop of occultist and satanist (blavatsky, budge and massey in particular) do you stick your heads in the sand or do you stop drinking the kool-aid of lies perpetuated on you by those who claim to have your best interest at heart. if i were you, i'd be pissed. you've staked your lives on following some brothers only to find out that they've got you following satanist. whats really sad is that i had to tell you and i just found out about your teachings recently. by the way kenyetta, if you haad actually "read" the informatinon in the links that i posted then you would know that there are many of non-christian historians that attest to the fact that christ was real. in fact "egyptian history" supports his existance. take the story of the death of mark. he was murdered by the followers of serapis for celbrating the ressurection of christ on a feast day of serapis. logic would dictate a number of facts that ou have seemed to miss. a) mark was celebrating something that he knew was real. b) christ is not serapis because if he was those people would not have murdered mark. c) the catholic church nor the church fathers created christ in the 4th century as the murder of mark took place around 68AD. http://www.copticchurch.net/topics/synexarion/mark.html http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/serapis.html http://orthodoxwiki.org/Apostle_Mark THERE'S NOTHING MADE UP ABOUT A MAN DYING FOR HIS FAITH NOR IS THERE NOTHING MADE UP ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE OF SERAPIS IN 391 AD. not only did they destroy his temple but they went around the city destroying the bust of serapis as well. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/greece/paganism/serapeum.html so it seems that although you might be confused as to the difference between christ and serapis. the people in egypt were never confused. April 17 at 12:28am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson oh! one more thing; your question was "did you write the gospels" therefore you had to have assumed that the statement i made was from the gospels or you would have never used the word "gospels" but new testament instead. be an honest person for deception is too easy to identify April 17 at 12:32am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the facts are if you believe that christ was born in the middle of winter then you need to read a lot more. shepherds dont sit on a hillside in the middle of winter with their flocks. again you use the poor dr. williams who has vanished from the ranks of respectabilty a very long time ago. especially after his tv appearance in 1995, which i saw on tape, where he declares that he was the sole authority on black history. either he had a very inflated ego or he was teetering on the brink of madness. not only has the dr cease to be heard from but the orginizations which he fostered like his historical society has faded off into nothingness as well. such things dont happen to real scholars, only fakes and frauds. the great works of great men survive their demise April 17 at 12:48am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you need to deal with the fact that everything that you have been taught was first proposed by a satanist blavatsky,instead of trying to divert the attention away from the satanic roots of kemetic reconstructionism. thats the truth that you can not escape no matter how much you try. you would be better served by proving how much of what you believe is different from the teachings of blavatsky. that you have not proven in any way,shape,form or means. nor, interestingly enough you have not even attempted to do. thats where you need to focus your attention. April 17 at 1:17am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Think what you will. I NEVER INTENDED TO IMPLY THAT YOUR STATEMENT CAME FROM THE BIBLE. NEW TESTAMENT OR OLD. YOU STATED AS IT WAS WRITTEN, WHICH MEANS YOU READ IT SOMEWHERE. And since you are a believer in Christ, who is only attested to by the Gospels, which had to be the source of all of your so called non Christian sources of Christ(because he did not exist) then you and your sources are both parrots(like me)How can i believe he was born in the middle of winter? He never existed!!! April 17 at 1:17am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Did Blavatsky sculpt the statue of Auset and heru, copied to make the image of your Theotokos and child? April 17 at 1:20am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Did Blavatsky establish Easter to coincide with the the first Sunday, after the first full moon, or when the Sun Passes over the Meridian? Jesus is a knock-off. I'm sorry, I know it hurts. April 17 at 1:27am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you need to read the information thenyou will understand how way off you are. http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-some-famous-thinkers-thought-of.html http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_historicity.html you funny!! a mother with her child on her lap has to be the most often painted/photographed pose in human history!! so that makes christ horus? lol!! thats real funny. how about you look at the fact that serapis was created hundreds of years before ptolemy was an itch in his daddy's pant or the fact that serapis was the equivilant of the greek god hades here's hades with his three headed dog http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_historicity.html and here's serapis with the same dog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis maybe it had puppies and serapis bought one? i dont think so. April 17 at 1:28am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "a mother with her child on her lap has to be the most often painted/photographed pose in human history!! "
Give an example(before the Nile Valley) April 17 at 1:30am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson actually i'm fine because you make the same old tired arguments that have existed since higher critcism was established in germay 150yrs ago. what you seem to over look is that the passover is the oldest continually celebrated religious holiday in the history of mankind. so its easy for others to attach other holiday to it,its been around a long time. April 17 at 1:31am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea And the Christians adopted it just as they adopted the image of Auset and Heru for Mary and Jesus April 17 at 1:34am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "how about you look at the fact that serapis was created hundreds of years before ptolemy was an itch in his daddy's pant"
Serapis or Sarapis was a Graeco-Egyptian god. He was invented during the 3rd century BC on the orders of Ptolemy I of Egypt as a means to unify the Greeks and Egyptians in his realm.
I suggest you read your own link April 17 at 1:36am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Its the first sentence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis April 17 at 1:37am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as it was the egyptians who took the myth of horus who intially had no mother as isis had no child and changed their myths as it was their custom to do, then they would probably be the first to take that portrait pose. but thats entirely different from the one of christ and mary. horus is looking at his lunch and the portrait of christ always has him looking away from her. so unfortunatley there's no connection. besides that still does not overcome the fact that egyptian history say's that mark died for celebrating the ressurection on the feast day of serapis so you arguement that christ did not exist is destroyed by the history of the very culture you follow. its a non-sense question. April 17 at 1:37am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Mark never existed. April 17 at 1:38am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea The Bible contradicts itself as to where Jesus was born(Matthew says Bethlehem, and John says Galilee). April 17 at 1:42am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea It is said that jesus was of the line of David. History is silent on David as well. April 17 at 1:47am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson actually i suggest you read it in more detail. ptolemy built his new temple on the site of the old one. http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8218 in addition to that serapis was a combination of the gods osiris and apis, his name was osirapis http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/serapis.htm oh yeah thers one other little thing i forgot to tell you, christ didnt have long hair. it was against the mosaic law.http://www.jesuspolice.com/common_error.php?id=13 the catholic church who i do not support at all, was the one that truned him into a hippie in the 5th century, but the earliest portraits of him show him with short hair and clean shaven. that defeats your assertion that he was serapis totally April 17 at 1:47am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea If i read it in more detail and found something in it that contradicted the first sentence, that would mean that your source contradicted itself(as does your bible)
MT 1:6-7 The lineage of Jesus is traced through David's son, Solomon. LK 3:23-31 It is traced through David's son, Nathan
MT 1:16 Jacob was Joseph's father. LK 3:23 Heli was Joseph's father.
MT 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus. LK 3:23-38 There were forty-three. April 17 at 1:52am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if mark never existed then why does "egyptian history" say that he did? matthew say's he was born in bethlehem and john say's he lived in galilee. where's the contradiction in that. did you say history was silent on david? oh really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele then you must have not read all of history and the two geneologies are done for a reason i'll let the page explain it two you as i covered this earlier with someone else http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark/why-are-there-different-genealogies-jesus-matthew-1-and-luke-3 in the future when you think that you have a biblical contradiction look here first http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm your objections are redundant and have been asked and answered several times before you inserted yourself into the conversation. now its late and i'm tired. figure out how you're going to get out of following the satanist as this needs to be your main priority at this point .good night April 17 at 1:59am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea MK 15:25 It was the third hour when Jesus was crucified. JN 19:14-15 It was after the sixth hour since Jesus was still before Pilate and had not yet been sentenced at that time.
MK 16:1-2 The women came to the tomb to anoint the body. JN 19:39-40 The body had already been anointed and wrapped in linen cloth
Kenyetta Bethea It says he was wrapped in the manner of the Jews, but i beg to differ.(and so does this picture) April 17 at 2:03am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson what part of "check with the site on alledged biblical contradictions" before you start talking didnt you understand. they're all in ther. all the ones you brought up and more. ironically you are right back to taking the exact same position as the satanist blavatsky, the first person to develope the christ is a myth theory http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm and you use the exact same form of the osirian myth as she does too April 17 at 2:07am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you must be tired too because the first text you present are from two different day's lol! go to sleep brother. April 17 at 2:09am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea What you are doing is called apologetics. I do not need to view a link to explain to me what the bible says. I can read, and according to what I read, there is a contradiction. Did your Bible come with a link. Does Jesus tell you to read the bible with a link April 17 at 2:09am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea You check the site, lol. April 17 at 2:10am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson oh and do us both a favor. look back at all the comments. there you'll find that i went over all of this stuff day's ago. so this is quite repetitive. April 17 at 2:10am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i'm not going to waste my time looknig up information that you can view yourself. i provided you the site that answers all 143 alledged contradictions, when you come up with one that isnt in there then let me know , until then stop being lazy and do some research. if you had done that when it comes to kemetics you wouldnt find yourself following the satanist April 17 at 2:13am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Your responses were not sufficient then as they are not sufficient now April 17 at 2:14am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea What do Satanist do? April 17 at 2:14am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if they're not sufficient its only because you havent looked at the site. satanist follow set(sut/sat) and they use the book of the dead and cast the spells from the coffin texts. you know the ones thats part of your belief system. they also worhsip one of your other gods mendes among other things. basically all the stuff you're doing right now April 17 at 2:17am · Like Joseph Spruill I see you keep throwing this blavatsky BS out here"not my concern"but my only question is"correct me if I'm wrong"but if Serapis also called "Christus"among many other things predates this Jesus figure & we know that Serapis followers where often referred to as "Bishops of Christ"as well as "Christians"depending on geographics how then can it not be that your Jesus Christ is not a duplicate or a variation of Serapis?It's obvious if the term "Christian" was in use before this Jesus figure that"Christianity" in one form or another had to already exist"Christianity without Jesus wow"..again the only proof you or anyone else have that Jesus ever existed is those "four gospels"who's authorship are indeed questionable & if you do have other so called proof it also suffers from the same fate..I know it's a hard pill to swallow proving this composited figure Serapis and Jesus are one in the same,because with this understanding your whole belief system becomes invalid"well I should say as you presently practice it" It doesn't surprise me that so many attempts have been made to prove this theory wrong..I won't waste my time debating bible verses in regards to Jesus I personally consider them "historically"useless in the first place..you said earlier that I didn't use logic but I think these are very logical points..I WAS WONDERING HAD YOU EVER SEEN THE MOVIE THE MATRIX?well in the movie they had agents who protected this control structure at all costs,so basically anyone who's eyes became open to the truth were sought out & destroyed because forbid they woke the masses of people from the illusion & taught them they were nothing more than batteries who powered a system to keep them asleepfunny how art imitates life"THAT'S IN REGARD TO YOUR CHRISTIANITY & JESUS the greatest control mechanisms to ever take the planet!!!!!!!!! April 17 at 7:27pm Joseph Spruill another thing why make mention of this JESUS hairstyle long or short because he simply did not exist lol you act as if thats a valid point or something..it's obvious your a very well spoken gentleman but you speak a bunch of garbage that will keep our people in bondage!! April 17 at 7:33pm Joseph Spruill the case of Jesus not existing is a lot stronger than the one he did exsist..deep down I know you know this brother..free yourself!!! April 17 at 7:36pm Joseph Spruill don't post any links I wont read them being that my head is already hurting from the ones you posted earlier Hotep. April 17 at 7:41pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson joe,its not your concern if you are following the teachings of a white satanist? you dont care if you have been tricked into following the devil? it does'nt bother you that your belief system is exactly the same as a self-proclaimed satanist? interesting. as for your assertions, first of all,if you read the bible the term christian is a derogatory term which no writer in the new test ever used in referrence to the believers http://ecclesia.org/truth/christian.html therefore anyone who used that title was obviously not a believer but someone who was trying to destroy the reputation of believers. next the statement was written by hadrian who lived after christ died http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian so your conclusion that christianity existed before christ is totally wrong. now, if you look at this next site you will see the "christ is serapis myth" torn apart http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/serapis.html next, when you say that the only evidence of christ available comes from the bible, you are also the victim of some very bad information. in fact there are a long list of non-biblical sources which testify to the existance of christ. http://shatteredparadigm.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-some-famous-thinkers-thought-of.html as well as http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_historicity.html plus http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/pliny.html finally there is the authenticated letter which comes from the roman records, that pontius pilate sent to the emporer tiberius detailing the arrest,trial,execution and ressurection of christ exactly as recored in the gospels http://www.kingdomoflight.org/i_have_in_my_possession_a_copy_o.htm so whoever told you those things, either did not do a lot of reasearch before they came up with that opinion or they outright lied to you. finally should you have any so-called contradictions in the bible that you would like to discuss,please look on this site first http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm it list all 143 known alledged contradictions. if you actually have something that is not on this list then we'll discuss it. but i'm sure whatever lie that you have been told is on this list. April 17 at 8:20pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea @ Joseph, I disagree. I do not think he is coming from a sincere position at all. He is using smoke and mirrors, which can only be used to hide, camouflage, or create an illusion(just my opinion). For instance his constant use of the term Satanist to describe Blavatsky and pin her on anyone who who has studies Kemet, whether they study the walls themselves or not. I think Dr. Ben has been to Kemet enough to draw his on conclusions from the walls. To imply that he or any other AFRAKAN scholar is incapable of doing so is sincere trash. I asked him what satanist do in order to identify the behavior of a satanist. Saying a satanist follows Set/Sut/Sat tells me nothing. Eating the flesh and drinking the blood of your savior in a mock ritual may seem satanic to some, but until he can actually define what a satanist is, he should stop using the term to describe people who sincerely want to gain the knowledge and spirituality of THEIR ancestors, who were neither Greek nor Satanic. How can anyone cast spells from COFFIN text, which was buried with the deceased, hence the name Book of the Dead(so called by grave robbers). Mr Johnson knows very well what he is doing. He is protecting his homosexual Greek manuscript at the expense of the truth and that is Satanic. Why post a link to explain something in the bible that I can read for myself, unless you are trying to make me accept the interpretation that upholds the lie(more sincere trash). Greek philosophers taught that women could not be philosophers(the name philosophy itself is derived from an Afrakan Goddess) Christian priest teach that women cannot be priest. Greek philosophers did not even think women were worthy of sleeping with them, so they slept with little boys. Priest are to pure for women(as was Jesus) so they take a vow of celibacy and still many of them have a hard time keeping their hands off of little boys(same Greek practice of pederasty) Jesus had a disciple whom he loved that rested his head on his bosom but was to pure for women. THAT IS SATANIC! April 17 at 8:22pm
Mhitu Heru I just want to chime in with a chuckle there i did. April 17 at 8:31pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta, joe are you saying that you wont read the information that i posted because you dont want to be confused by the facts? so what you really want to do is simply say whatever you want with no credible authority that supports your position and ignore any credible sources that dismiss your premise. that is niether logical or rational and brings into question not only your level of objectitvity but sanity as well. why am i not surprised that not one of you has taken the time to show how what you believe is different from the teachings of blavatsky? then again that would be impossible as she is the person who brought back the worship of the gods in egypt. i suggest that you in fact do some reading ,in fact a lot of reading so that you can prove that you have a different doctrine than the one she presented, because so far from the fact that kemetics so often quote budge and massey who were occultist like blavatsky and in fact massey wrote for her magazine the luciferian on accasion not to mention budge was an occultist;i see no difference between your doctrine and hers. your issue at this point is how to distance yourself from satanism which not one of you has attempted to do,interesting in deed. April 17 at 8:42pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson hey mhitu! how are you my brother? you know if this wasnt so serious,i'd do some chuckling too. but its instead,sad and tragic that so many of my people are following the exact same doctrine of the satanist. i just dont see the humor in any of it. April 17 at 8:50pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I can show you a common link between the pederast practices of Greece and the Christian church. Tell me what Blavatsky practiced(describe her ritual) and I will tell you if I practice that or not. Even people who label themselves Christian have different rituals and practices. I do not label myself a Satanist, nor am I familiar with their practices. The Jews and Muslims both claim to be the children of Abraham but they have different practices. Christians claim to be different from Pagan Greece, but they have both made a practice out of sleeping with little boys and belittling women. Since you have a problem with the title Christian, should I just call you a Greek April 17 at 8:56pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson joe ,this is not an issue of rituals. its an issue of beleif. you believe in the 7 tier theory blavatsky created it. http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html you believe in the christ is a myth theory blavatsky created it http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm interestingly enough you also believe in the exact same version of the osirian myth that she did even though its one of the very last versions of the myth while totally ignoring that the original myth of osiris does'nt include isis and horus is his brother. you beleive that christ is a compilation of all the ancient myth's, blavatsky created that too. so all of what you believe is what originated with blavatsky. logically speaking, it doesnt matter how you label yourself you follow all of the things that this satanist taught. look i got to go be back n a few. i'd like to say one thing. if you notice i'm not calling no names nor making fun of you for what you believe. i'm just pointing out how that you have been lied to. so i'd appreciate it if you stop attacking me,i'm not your enemy. the people who told those lie to you is who you should be mad with,not me April 17 at 9:02pm
Kenyetta Bethea Because you use the 365 day calender first used by the Egyptians does that make you a satanist if Blavatsky uses it as well, lol. Why wont you describe the practices of a satanist, and that way I can tell you if I share their practices. Because you share some rituals with the Mormons, does that make you a Moron, excuse me Mormon. Joe, this is what I mean about his insincerity. He wants to label my practices as satanic but he can't tell me what i practice. to him, anyone who doesn't believe in his homosexual Greek god Jesus is satanic. April 17 at 9:16pm
Kenyetta Bethea My apologies to Joseph, Not Joe April 17 at 9:23pm Joseph Spruill no problem brother Kenyetta..yea I have to agree with you on this mans intent after further review. April 17 at 9:51pm Eerie Canal GET HIM WARRIORS..SLAY THE SETHIAN THAT HAS TAKEN A GRIP ON OUR BROTHER April 17 at 9:53pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as always the subject becomes changed when people cant expalain the difference between the belief of the kemetics and those of the satanist. i understand why,its because there is no difference. kenyetta, using someones calender isnt the same as following some ones belief sytem,so your question makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. if that were the case then whenever you became afraid of stepping off of a high place,i could say that your fear of gravity made you a worshipper of the god of isaac newton. besides, who told you that the egyptians invented the calender? whoever did,lied. the oldest, most sophiticated and most accurate calender was invented by the nabta who existed at least 5,000yrs before the egyptians.http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/egyptnabta.htm http://iconoclastreport.com/news/hidden-hist/126-nabta as far as your kemetic rituals are concerned they are irrelevant. it is not the rituals that are important,its your system of beliefs. all of which you believe is from the satanist blavatsky and since not one of you have yet to try and prove that any of your beliefs are diiferent than the ones that she instituted 125yrs ago, then it is obvious that they are identical to what she created. as far as homosexuality is concerned, i know of no instance where it is recorded that christ committed a homosexual act. however,i do know that the version of the osirian myth that blavatsky preferred and that you subscribe to includes two of your gods engaging in homosexuality http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/egypt.htm in fact the egytpians were quite consumed with sex in general. single women could walk around naked according to thier religious culture http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/sexuality.html it is also a proven fact that the egyptian women also engaged in beastiality http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/religion/banebdjedet.htm as witnessed by herodotus in the city of mendes. by the way here are some of your rituals that i am aware of http://sacredritualsofkemet.blogspot.com/ if these are not the correct ones then i stand corrected. April 17 at 11:43pm · Like Eerie Canal Satan is a demonized version of set and sometimes even auset April 17 at 11:45pm · Like Eerie Canal Luciferianism as well April 17 at 11:46pm · Like Eerie Canal Entomology had become a useful diversion from MAAT..All else is moot April 17 at 11:46pm · Like Eerie Canal Physical acts of sexual gratification are echoes of spiritual energies...Metaphysics demands that all things be present simultaneously on different planes April 17 at 11:49pm · Like Eerie Canal A heightened sense of feminine spiritual thinking will echo as urges in the physical realm..hence the good shepherd must guard his sheep or thoughts.(counting sheep at might in dreamimagery) April 17 at 11:51pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea By Napta, do you mean the Shemsu Hor(followers of Horus/Heru). The fact is, the Romans and therefore you and me got the 365 day calender from the Egyptians. Is Isaac Newton the sole owner of the god that manifest gravity. That comparison is ludicrous(in my Mike Tyson voice). Blavatsky believed in a root race that began in Atlantis. I do not believe that and I know of no Afrakan scholar worthy of the title that does. You do not know what I believe admit it, lol. The version of the Osirian myth I have studied says nothing about homosexuality. (Render unto Blavatsky what belongs to Blavatsky).
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. The fruit has gone badhttp://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2065579,00.html?xid=rss-world-yahoo April 18 at 12:04am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Its implied in European art. www.robgagnon.net/bassano.jpg April 18 at 12:14am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Goodnight Mr. Johnson, lol. April 18 at 12:15am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson its NABTA and it is they who wre the inventors of the first celestial clock. thats our history brother you should know it better than that.there was a root race, the Zingh were the people of atlantis and they had to be black as the population of the world had not become difused at that time http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000849.html but being a satanist she had to lie and say that they were white. as far as the version of the osirian myth that you beleive in,you're wrong. the complete version of the myth does include that homosexual act http://www.egyptiandreams.co.uk/horus.php at least that what the egyptians say. this is from an egyptian website, i think that they would be the ones who would know more about their own gods than you do,dont you? so we will render unto egypt what belongs to egypt April 18 at 12:23am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson eerie, what in the wotld are you talking about? none of what you said was congruent to the conversation. and if you want to interject, at least state a position and then back it up with something that we can all read. that way you can make a positive contribution to the conversation instead of being a distraction. now will osmeone kindly tell me how what you believe as kemetics is different than what blavatsky taught. the root race thing was ok but that has nothing to do with the core components of your system of beliefs that you share with her. April 18 at 12:28am · Like Eerie Canal Kevin...your brain needs healing. Abstract connections can't be made? Hetepu April 18 at 12:31am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as some of you may know i beleive that the catholic church is evil incarnate. the egyptian priest were just as vile as the catholics http://epistle.us/hbarticles/ancientegypt2.html as pharoah you were the head priest of egypt and it was common for the head priest (pharoah) to marry his daughter http://ezinearticles.com/?Father-Daughter-Incest%2C-Brother-Sister-Incest-in-Ancient-Egyptian-Royal-Families&id=5455043 so it is obvious that the egytpians were as depraved as anyone in history April 18 at 1:09am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson eerie pleas refrain from random non-sensical statements. your dragging the dialogue down. if you cant say something intelligent please, say nothing April 18 at 1:11am
Yani Gonzalez All Satan means is adversary from the hebrew vocab. Wiki says: word.Satan (Hebrew: הַשָׂטָן ha-Satan), "the accuser", is the title of various entities, both human and divine, who challenge the faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible. In Christianity and Islam the title became a personal name, and "Satan" changed from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to the chief of the rebellious fallen angels ("the devil" in Christianity, "Shaitan" in Arabic, the term used by Arab Christians and Muslims). April 18 at 5:39pm Eerie Canal @Kevin..Heres intelligent for you...SLAVE! April 18 at 5:49pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson why is it that you insult me eerie? i have not done anything to you to warrant such behavior except to find out the satanic connections to what you believe. but thats what the kemetics do. if they cant convince you that they're right then they attempt to disrespect you nad intimidate you by telling you that you love the white man more than your own people and so forth. its cheap but if you're comfortable with it,then thats fine. its you not me. by the way yani, all of what you said sounded so familiar. so i looked it up and guess what? thats exactly what the satanist blavatsky taught http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/lucifer.htm so its just like i said before. not one of you has been able to show me how what you believe is different from what the satanist taught. April 18 at 6:51pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as for that being intelligent eerie, sorry try again. April 18 at 6:54pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson actually you almost qouted her word for word http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/prayingtoanewgod.html and you followed each of the steps listed on the site i just posted!! the more you guys talk the more you show just how similar your beliefs are to blavatsky's teachings. but after all, she was the person to start kemetic reconstructionism so i'm not surprised. April 18 at 6:59pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson one more thing, sojourner truth and harriet tubman were believers in the lord christ. i dont think they had slave mentalities seeing as how they freed slaves. isnt it ironic how you talk about honoring your ancestors in egypt who you have absolutely no relationship to at all, because not one egyptian slave was sent to north americs but you dishonor the ancestors who were here in america who gave their lives for our freedom. ironic in deed. April 18 at 7:05pm · Like Eerie Canal Blavatsky was the truth. She studied at the thesophic society/institute right? Did somebody deny a connection to her? Well they wouldn't unless they didn't know that many came from that school to start different branches...she took truth and diluted ut..accept no one completely for man is flawed..but she is connected to kemetic studies because all things trace back to nubia kush.. April 18 at 7:16pm · Like Eerie Canal Lmao..@Kevin.. Okay okay. Btw..ORIGINAL FAITH IS GODS FAITH..Before titles and such..was their no Godliness? Pre Christianity...was the entire planet heathens? I think not sir. April 18 at 7:18pm · Like Eerie Canal Pagani beliefs are not in contradiction of Christian edicts. In title only...pantheism/monotheism/trinity/anthropomorphic dieties and beings/magic...its in the Bible too. The complexities are from mankind tampering with divine love. April 18 at 7:20pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson eerie, brother when you can get to the point where you are able to articulate your own point and then support it with something that we can verify as indisputable fact then i'll continue to dialogue with you. until then your random, nonsensecle statements will respond to what your saying. your lack of knowledge concerning the teachings of the satanist blavatsky and how everything that you believe is based on her teachings is alarming. she didnt study at the theosophical society, she founded it!! and her former student and best friend helen bailey took it over after she died http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Alice_Bailey.htm please look back at all that i have posted and read it. then lets talk. until then most of what we are discussing has already been brought out and this is redundant. April 18 at 7:53pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Eerie I never studied Blavatsky and I study Egyptology. Am an amateur but not by way of Blwvatsky @ Kevin What doesn't make since is that the Most-High would give us a brain that at it's fullest potential can break everything and anything down to follow belief. I mean if the bible was so viable why not give it to the original man?.................. Why have the the children of the Nile master writing, reading and paper making among a lot of other great things to afterwards give a selective few the bible?.............................. That doesn't make any since @ all! The Most High who created all and knows all before men ask had bad timing?........................... The Most High as am reading in your bible is all merciful @ one point and jealous @ another. The God in your bible is consistent with bipolarization. To say that he only cares of only of a few chosen one's is to say he created humans that are flawed. Why create life that's flawed when it's in your power to create it how ever you one?.............................. The oldest skeleton on the planet is over 5,000,000 years old. So lets say the original beings were Adam and Eve. Why did the Most High wait so long to give a selective few the bible?......................... Did the Most High not care about does before Abraham and Solomon?............................. Keep in mind pyramids exist through out the world. Kemetian science didn't limit it's teaching to a few. Even while at war with other civilizations. It welcomed who ever wanted to genuinely and sincerely learn. You say kemetian science is evil. Yet the only ones who isolated them selves where the Hebrews after leaching of the kemetians. What I love about Kemetian science is the brake down of reality and the spiritual realm in depth. The bible isn't as in depth as kemetian scinece by a long shot. April 18 at 9:29pm Eerie Canal I studied thru MUATA ASHBY and family of The Eastern Stars...plus walked in the light of The Tuat and experienced the ETHEREAL. Just understand that Blavatsky was taught/educated in the Kemetic Science April 18 at 10:40pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu When I return...I want you all to pay very close attention to what I post...and then I want you to go to your roof-tops and scream to the world what you have seen. April 18 at 10:43pm Eerie Canal Will do..And I just re read all my posts..IM DA TRUTH..LOL...Kev, you may be drunk on intellectualism. Our Black Muslim family calls it Deceptive Intelligence.. When in the last time the spirit "moo-ved" you?? Stop debating and get engrossed in prayer..You probably drive everywhere.>Go for a walk more often...lmao..DO DEEP for YA!! I traverse the other spheres...whooooooooo April 18 at 10:51pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson shakka if your going to post something that shows how much what you preach is different from what the satanist blavatsky created then i'm all ears!! because so far everything you guys have said can be traced right back to her. changing the subject wont get the spotlight off of the satanic roots of kemetic reconstructionism. April 18 at 11:01pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson eerir, ther is a proverb that say's "even a fool is counted as a wise man if he holds his tongue" perhaps you might want to remain silent unless you want everyone to know just how big a fool you are? April 18 at 11:03pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Keving Kemet existed long before Blavatsky. And everyone doesn't study Kemet via her or him. Ppl actually go directly to the source and study the source. April 18 at 11:07pm Eerie Canal @kevin..Ahhh..good pitching arm. Casting stones...I LOVE YOU April 18 at 11:10pm Eerie Canal KMT...and the Hebrews who were led by an Egyptian Prince love Eye too April 18 at 11:11pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani, who told you that he didnt give it to the black man,the christ haters? do you know how many black people there are in the bible? do you understand that adam and eve had to be black as the foundation of genetics would dictate? when you consort with the satanic christ haters do you expect to hear anything objective from them about christ? google is a wonderful thing i think you really need to use it. you see the problem that the kemetics have with christ is that he is superior to all of there gods who are of course myths. so if they cant make a myth out of him then their gods remain 2nd class citizen. the worship of the gods of egypt had been dead for a 1,000yrs until the satanist brought it back into popularity. and even then she didnt go to the root of what the egyptians believed,she took one lf the last versions of the osirian myth to build her doctrine on. did you know that osiris and isis were ethiopian gods that egypt "borrowed"? did you know that the original osris/isis/horus myths didnt have any connections to each other at all did you know that there are at least five different versions of each myth? everybody use your google and stop believing everything people tell you!! thats how they got us on them ships to begin with. it was brothers who lied to us then and its brothers who are lying to us now!! aint nothing changed. its the same old sukioky,just warmed over! April 18 at 11:13pm · Like Eerie Canal ??KMT do not deny Christ...HE LIVES IN ME..SOLAR PLEXUS..SON(SUN)... April 18 at 11:15pm
Yani Gonzalez Kevin how are you going to respond with a question. Come brotha answer my questions directly. April 18 at 11:19pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson why is it that the kemetics attack christ visciously but whenthe table are turned then they are martrys? if you wasnt attacking christ i would have left you alone. everyone else might be afraid or not knowledgeable enough to come back at you, but i aint no punk and i hit back. stop hitting christ and i'll stop hitting kemet. until then i'm gonna let the world know about the perverted pharoas who married their own daughters, the homosexuality that was a normal part of egyptian life, the brutality of the egyptian government, the plagarization of the ethiopian gods by the egyptians,etc etc April 18 at 11:19pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Actually is the other way around. April 18 at 11:20pm Eerie Canal CRUSADES April 18 at 11:20pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani whats the other way around? April 18 at 11:20pm · Like Eerie Canal LOL..Communalism..we were all sisters and brothers.. April 18 at 11:21pm Eerie Canal You know what!!! April 18 at 11:21pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson eerie if you stop acting like a clown i would be more than interested in what you have to say but as of now you dont seem to be a very intelligent person therfore i have no use for you. you may be excused April 18 at 11:22pm Eerie Canal MY BROTHER..If I marry your daughter.>SHE IS MY SISTER..DAts why you become Father in Law..And since Africans are ruled by law MAAT..we didnt need to add the suffix..It was just sister married brother,,GENIUS April 18 at 11:22pm Eerie Canal RETARDED CAVE MEN MIDDLE AGES ..There your cess pool of incest.>GOOGLE IT April 18 at 11:23pm
Yani Gonzalez I don't implement my will on no one and respect all. Yet I have believer of the Hebrew text knocking on my door everyday. Or have a few of my Christians associates telling me am a devil worshiper. April 18 at 11:24pm Eerie Canal I am no demagogue drunk on Dogma.. MY GOD IS REAL AND LIVING April 18 at 11:24pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if you are pharoah and marry your daughter thats incest http://ezinearticles.com/?Father-Daughter-Incest%2C-Brother-Sister-Incest-in-Ancient-Egyptian-Royal-Families&id=5455043 MADNESS April 18 at 11:25pm Eerie Canal You sir,,are an ASS..lol ( Dats a movie quote) April 18 at 11:25pm · Like Eerie Canal RETWEET my comment..Communalism. April 18 at 11:25pm Eerie Canal One Village..GET HIP..HIS-STORY dont equate with my soul...So I reject it as false April 18 at 11:26pm
Yani Gonzalez @ Kevin I don't implement my will on no one and respect all. Yet I have believer of the Hebrew text knocking on my door everyday. Or have a few of my Christians associates telling me am a devil worshiper. That's not kind or right. April 18 at 11:27pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani, i think its wrong for anyone to bother you if you dont want to be. i have a lot of contempt for the so-called church. almost as much contempt for those who say that they know christ is a myth and dont know where that theory originated or have taken the time to research the facts before they go popping off at the mouth about a book they never really studied. christisnity has become a cult. but christ did not create that, evil men did April 18 at 11:29pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson then you have people that even after they see the archeological evidence who still say its a myth. thats just insane April 18 at 11:30pm · Like Eerie Canal Then be done with edicts and judge a man by his works..AS CHRIST WOULD HAVE DONE April 18 at 11:31pm · Like Eerie Canal FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE April 18 at 11:31pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson like this idiotic statement "One Village... GET HIP..HIS STORY dont equate with my soul...So I reject it as false" first of all no one was talking about a village and how does he know the story of christ? there's not one bible scholar among you. its like someone trying to tell me what physics is not and none of you has mastered physics. that just crazy. now i will excuse myself from this discussion as it has degenerated into the ramblings of people who just want to throw anything out and go lol! as if they're saying something smart. i prefer to talk intelligetly to intelligent people. individuals like eerie prevent that from happening. let me know when someone has a ligitimate question or objection. i will be more than happy to participate. but this retarded stuff is a waste of time. "FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE" What in the world is this guy talking about? discussions with poeple of low IQ isnt waht i'm looking to engage in April 18 at 11:38pm · Like Eerie Canal Talking to you, you sad mislead Disciple. Feeling like fighting to combat the self damnation of "ORIGINAL SIN". YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST AND THAT IS ALL. Upon your head have been heaped the coals of "RETARDATION". You spew hatred veiled as education in a science that is so ethereal you couldnt feel it in the skin you wear. Trapped by a faith that has left you bereft of true connection you mimick the ones you claim to despise. AGAIN..go fro a damn walk jerk. Share fresh water with some prostitues, clean some homeless feet. YOU HAVE NO HUMILITY..HAPI RA UN NEFER...(you ass) April 18 at 11:43pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu @Eerie: I love having you here Snb. Remain mindful that as much as many may disagree with Kevin and the doctrine he seeks to substantiate...he is still our brother and is due the respect we as black people are predisposed to display to one another...irrespective our differences. Aside from this basic value of respect (of course there are times when the opposite is warranted...even in dialogue, be that as it may, such a time has yet to present itself....smile), the other rule observed in my forums are responding to statements you find to be contentious with nothing less than scholarship. If you (or anyone myself included) disagrees with Kevin (or anyone else for that matter) take him to task via the historical record as it is the evidence that has the final word in ALL of my forums. When homework is done...the need to 'personally attack' is made obsolete. The person proven to be in error is made the fool simply by championing, and standing on falsehoods they attempt to pass off as 'scholarship'. Ridicule them with documented evidence, not insults. As in all we do...let us keep our standards high. I know that it is not always easy but it is the effort we make in doing so that shows us to be who we are...or who we are not. Hotep. April 19 at 12:16am Eerie Canal Hetepu Sa..Heard and Acknowledged.. April 19 at 12:18am Eerie Canal Mr.
Kevin Pendleton Johnson
- NIV Bible..Mark 9:38-41
April 19 at 12:22am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thank you shakka. i try to follow what i think is an acceptable standard. i make my point with my own words,not simply parroting the words of others. i am expressing "my" opinions which i attempt to back up with a link which all can read and disect. you see this last post by eerie? thats exactly what i mean. no individual thought or expression thereof. just my name and a bible verse. how is this scholarly shakka? in our discussions both public and private i have always tried to make "my" point not some one elses. i dont stand behind the dcotrines of christianity,as i believe that the real faith of christ has all but disappeared from western civiliztion. i dont get into opinions just facts so why must this discussion be bogged down by this type of non-sense. it is not productive nor does it serve to illuminate the facts,no matter what they may be. i am disgusted with this. everytime i talk with the kemetics as soon as i start showing them archeological evidence that disproves what they're saying the conversation descends into me being called names and having people just throwing stuff out there with no ryhme or reason behind it. i dont mind the tension but this is unacceptable April 19 at 12:30am Eerie Canal Well then the fault is mine April 19 at 12:31am Eerie Canal I am new to these kinds of discussion forums April 19 at 12:31am Eerie Canal It seemed to be alot of drivel going nowhere. I am into application of faith. That is my specialty. April 19 at 12:32am
Yani Gonzalez @ Kevin did Jesus have to study as a young child and what did he study?............... April 19 at 12:34am Eerie Canal Individual thought: GOD IS! if this statement is true ... existence requires what? Duality! Correct? Are you with me or should I stop there? I speak on the necessity, for manifestation to occur, of the subject and its polar opposite. April 19 at 12:35am Eerie Canal @Yani Hmmm April 19 at 12:35am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson is this how you save our poeple? by branding all that do not agree with you as hating their own people and calling them uncle toms? which of you have seen a white's only bathroom and almost wet yourself because you couldnt go in it? i have which of you had to walk through an all white neighborhood to go to junior high school, having to fight high schoolers once a week just to make it hom safe? i have and whcih of you protested, rioted and demaned that you be taught your history as a high school sophmore in an all white school? which of you can say that you made black history? i have. and i am treated in this manner by so-called black people? its disgracefull! i have so i see nothing here as resembling black unity in any form unless its the kemetics united against anyone who does not agree with them. this is not our culture. ours was a culture where all were included not mocked and ahted as the result of someones misplaced anger with the white man. i did not put anyone in slavery April 19 at 12:38am Eerie Canal @Kevin I like dis..keep going..sounds like its headed toward LOVE April 19 at 12:39am Eerie Canal WHAT PUT US INTO SLAVERY? Please teach April 19 at 12:40am Eerie Canal For we were made DIVINE..something changed us. April 19 at 12:42am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson eerie i will no longer respond to your comments as you do not execise any self-control or structure in your presentation. please refrain from interjecting. yani, i know of no mention of him studying in the bible but there is a reference to him teaching. please clarify. shakka can you do something about eerie. he's unerving to say the least. yani please reform your question. April 19 at 12:42am Eerie Canal LOL..Dont wet it. Im out. Shakka, sun is a bird. My Kher-Heb taught me techniques wit the broad sword. Do not begrudge me my youth dear friend. You shall be visited soon...Prepare for mercy is a gift given FREELY. I love you..HOTEP April 19 at 12:45am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson its not your youth that i have a problem with sir it is your ability to stay within the confines a good debate tecchinque that renders you unable to participate in this forum April 19 at 12:49am · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Kevin did Jesus have to sturdy as a young child and what did he study?................... April 19 at 1:01am
Yani Gonzalez *study April 19 at 1:01am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as i said before, as far as i know, there is no record of him being taught or studying that i am aware of. but there is a recored of him teaching in the temple at a very young age April 19 at 1:02am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson *record April 19 at 1:03am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson what are you getting at yani? April 19 at 1:03am · Like
Yani Gonzalez That he wasn't born with knowledge of self he had to be thought by man. April 19 at 1:16am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani. thats not what the book say's. so although that may be your opinion the facts dont support it. i deal only in facts, not opiniions. i have some too,but i keep them to myself as they are worthless without facts to support them April 19 at 1:19am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Luke 2:40 Galilee, to their own town of Nazareth. And as the child grew to maturity, ha was filled with wisdom; .When Jesus was twelve Luke 2:46-47 It happened that, three days later, the found him in the Temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them, and asking them questions; April 19 at 1:25am
Yani Gonzalez "HE SAT AMONG THE TEACHERS, LISTENING TO THEM" April 19 at 1:31am
Yani Gonzalez He by Luke's own word was not born with knowledge of self. He listened to the teachers (LEARNED). April 19 at 1:33am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani, how did you manage to overlook the first part? he was filled with wisdom. i can ask a question in two ways. first i can ask because i dont know. 2nd i can ask because i want to see what you know. therefore ur conclusion is without support. if you notice it doe not say that they taught him in fact if i'm not mistaken the text goes on to say how they marvelled at his teachings April 19 at 1:34am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson in fact the book goes on to say that he needed not for anyone to tell him about man for he knew what was in man. April 19 at 1:37am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson but he wasnt taught it either April 19 at 1:41am · Like
Yani Gonzalez And as the child GREW to MATURITY, He was filled with wisdom. He wasn't born with it. April 19 at 1:41am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson in fact his enemies said "never a man spoke like this" an interesting commrnt for the people who had read plato and socrates. thats not the type of knowledge that someone on this planet had the ability to teach April 19 at 1:42am · Like
Yani Gonzalez They found him in the Temple, SITTING AMONG THE TEACHERS, LISTENING TO THEM, and asking them questions' and all those who heard him were astounded at his intelligence and his replies. April 19 at 1:44am
Yani Gonzalez He was twelve then April 19 at 1:45am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats exactly my point. he had never been to the temple before. it was the highest place of learning for the jews. so how could he have been taught more than what they knew and they were the master teachers? April 19 at 1:45am · Like
Yani Gonzalez You are aware the he was their for three days right?........ April 19 at 1:46am
Yani Gonzalez And when he grew to maturity he was filled with wisdom not before?....... April 19 at 1:48am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yes but i'm also aware that i can n not read something into the account that isnt there April 19 at 1:48am · Like
Yani Gonzalez It's as clear as day. He grew into his wisdom not born with it. April 19 at 1:49am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson maturity was at the age of 12 in their culture. he was at that age before he met with them. but no one on this earth taught him thats the point April 19 at 1:49am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Every year his parents used to go to Jerusalem for the feast of the Passover. When he was twelve years old, they went up for the feast as usual. Luke 2:41-43 April 19 at 1:52am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yet it say's that males over the age of twelve specifically in the mosaic law were to attend. there is no prior record of him entering the temple as he was nnot at an age that required he do so. April 19 at 1:53am · Like
Yani Gonzalez You don't know that? No one know's what he was thought before hand. April 19 at 1:53am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson exactly therfore you can not read something,anything into the record that is not there! April 19 at 1:55am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Just because their no record doesn't mean it didn't take place. See a lot of his life is missing in the bible don't you agree? That's not to say it didn't happen. April 19 at 1:55am
Yani Gonzalez The evidence clearly states he wasn't born with his wisdom. April 19 at 1:57am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if it happened it would have said so. something to the effect that he did what he normally did which was to go and learn,etc. nothing like that so you ccant read something that isnt there April 19 at 1:57am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the evidence also clearly say's that he didnt get it from anyone here on earth either April 19 at 1:58am · Like
Yani Gonzalez As the child GREW to MATURITY, He was filled with wisdom. He wasn't born with it. April 19 at 1:59am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson your repaeting yourself. there is nothing to suggest that another human being taught him anything. without it you cant just sayu that you believe... thats speculation and i only deal in facts April 19 at 2:00am · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ He was by clear evidence what we call a prodigy. But wasn't born with it. April 19 at 2:00am
Yani Gonzalez Am not believing in anything. Am reading it of the Jerusalem bible. Not king james. The Jerusalem bible gives it to you as is. April 19 at 2:02am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you are still in the realm of speculation. it is clear only based on what you know. and of course what we know does not amount top very much at all April 19 at 2:02am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if hr had a human teacher he would have been mentioned. because there si no mention of such a teacher we can not simply imagine that one existed because it suits our understanding of how thing s are learned April 19 at 2:03am · Like
Yani Gonzalez So what your telling me is that the bible has Jesus complete biography? April 19 at 2:05am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson no what i'm telling you is that you cant simply fill in the blanks as you choose. and thats what you're trying to do. in a court of law the objection would be that your comment was speculative and should be stricken from the record April 19 at 2:10am · Like
Yani Gonzalez So exactly what does the child GREW to MATURITY, He was filled with wisdom mean Kevin? April 19 at 2:13am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson exactly aht it say's,he was filled not taught. only god could fill,men teach April 19 at 2:14am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson *what April 19 at 2:14am · Like
Yani Gonzalez I agree April 19 at 2:15am
Yani Gonzalez So he was filled @ Maturity right?........... April 19 at 2:16am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson no it say's as he grew. again dont read something thats nnot there April 19 at 2:17am · Like
Yani Gonzalez So God filled him because he wasn't filled right? April 19 at 2:20am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as he grew, yes April 19 at 2:21am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the implication is that it was a gradual process, hence as he grew April 19 at 2:22am
Yani Gonzalez Meaning as a youth he wasn't filled with wisdom?.......... Right?......... God had to fill him as he grew.......... April 19 at 2:22am
Yani Gonzalez He wasn't born with it?............ Right?............. April 19 at 2:23am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats the best interpretation. it doesnt say that he was born without any wisdom but thats theory i wont engage in that April 19 at 2:23am · Like
Yani Gonzalez We're engaging in fact's. And according to what you have broken down. He was filled with it as he grew up. God isn't going to fill something that all ready full. April 19 at 2:25am
Yani Gonzalez Am I right?................ April 19 at 2:26am
Yani Gonzalez *that's April 19 at 2:27am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson of cousre not. but none of this matters. because either you are saying he was real or a myth. myhts dont leave historical records April 19 at 2:29am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i'm sorry the of course not was not at your last statement . you are right in our last statement April 19 at 2:29am
Yani Gonzalez Thank you. So now we agree he wasn't born with wisdom. That's 1......... I'll come back to you tomorrow with the rest. Going to bed. Till then my dear brotha thank you and have a blessed night/morning. Peace be upon you. April 19 at 2:33am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the same to you April 19 at 2:34am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson my dear brother eerie. i apologize to you for my lack of patience. the fault was with me and not you. please forgive me for my rude behavior. you asked a queston that i felt then and now deserved an answer. you asked who put us in slavery? the truth is that no one person put us in slavery nor one group did this to us either. it was actually a combination of world wide cultrual practice, religion and the non-emergence of the black man from the dark ages. first lets look at worldwide cultrual practice. it has been a long standing phenomenon that when people were in debt they went into slavery. having to work off this debt in order to satisfy the debt holder. today we call it credit but thats another story. so then poor people of all races were enslaved throughout the history of the world. from deepest darkest africa to the so-called civilized european continent,it was acceptable. initially slavery nor mastery were racial issues. it was transformed into this by islam first and then christianity. islam was the first to enslave our people en mass.http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html this next site is a map of the earliest modern day trade routes for goods going from central africa to north africa they were established by the arabs in the 9th century now here are the slave routes from central africa to north africa and from west africa to the rest of the world http://wysinger.homestead.com/mapofafricadiaspora.html fi you notice the trade route from central to north africa are the same. the truth is that 500yrs before the white man bought his first salve, the islamic world had already sold a million slaves. http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-thescourgeofslavery.htm lastly we have the nn-emergence of the black man from the dark ages. as we all know for a period of time after the great plagues which were wotld wide, makind devolved. his social,political and military orders basically dissolved. leaving the entire world in a fuedal state. there were no more great empires, just people scratching and clawing for existance. as other cultures began to emerge and develope the seeming land locked people of west africa di niether. our capacity of open sea navigation was gone. no doubt due to how plagues spread which is through transport vessels. therefore anyone working on such a vessel would be some of the first to die from disease. so without the means to aquire the shared knowledge of the then known world our societies did not share in the selling of resources that was taking place at the time. so we sold the only resource we had which was each other. April 19 at 11:56am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson in the spirit of fairness i must point out that whereas the so-called christian slavery was one-dimensional wherein we were used strictly as a labor force,islam was multi-dimensional in their use of slaves. as you hopefully have read in the attached links, islam not only used their slaves as labor but much to its discredit it used us in unspeakable terms. yet, it also used salves for their military as well. http://www.blackpast.org/?q=perspectives%2Fafrican-military-slaves-muslim-middle-east oviously due to our natrual physical superiority to caucasians we became a fromidible foe. one thing i did find extremely interesting was the facts that blacks in america owned many more slaves per person than whites. http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm hopefully that answers your question concerning salvery April 19 at 12:20pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "yes but i'm also aware that i can n not read something into the account that isnt there"-KPJ
This is what you do every time you try to explain (via a link) the contradictions in your Bible, that attacked Kemet first with a fictional slave account of a people who are non existent in history. The same people you claim as the ancestors to your fictional Christ. April 19 at 3:10pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson frist of all kenyetta i have already given you the link that proves that there are no biblical contradictions ,over a week ago. http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm it lists all 143 so-called cantrdictions and if there was one that you came up with that wasnt on the list you would have never waited a week to bring it up. 2nd of all, egytpian history records that taharka aesiopis, the man that wrote aesops fables, called him self a decendant of noah, http://tseday.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/thyia-tree-of-wisdom/ egyptian history records that moses was real http://biblelight.net/moses.htm egyptian history say's that the plagues and the exodus were real http://www.christianevidences.org/ipuwer-papyrus2.html egyptian history say's that the apostle mark was real and that he was murdered by the followers of serapis http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/greece/paganism/serapeum.html which proves that christ was real as well because no one would kill someone over a fictional character. also syrian history say's that david was real http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/king_david.htm and persian history say's tha esther, her uncle, her husband and hamam were real http://www.farsinet.com/hamadan/esther.html now unless you know more about egyptian history than the egyptians themselves or you know syrian or persian history better than these people know of their own history you have been exposed as a puppet who is simply parroting what someone else has told you and you have done no serious research on the matter. as it is written "even a fool is counted as wise if he holds his tongue" . therefore unless you want everyone to know just how ignorant that you really are when it comes to history,you would perhaps be better served by keeping your comments as to what history does or does not say, to your self April 19 at 5:16pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Your list of contradictions does exact in fact, read something into the account that is not there. So whether you believe there are contradictions or not(there are many) you contradict yourself( i can n not read something into the account that isnt there- KPJ) by posting that link to refute the contradictions. For example:Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave [Matt 12:40]
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave [Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9]
According to Haley, Orientals reckon any part of a day as a whole day. Thus, one whole and two parts of a day, along with two nights, would be popularly styled as "three days and three nights." Such usage is seen elsewhere in Scripture.
This explanation reads something into the Bible thats not there. LMAO April 19 at 5:40pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Who is Haley?! April 19 at 5:40pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea 91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood speechless [Acts 9:7]
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate [Acts 26:14]
Acts 26:14 And when they had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me...
Acts 9:7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone.
While we are at it, let's add the other account...
Acts 22:9 My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.
Obviously, according to the NIV translation, there is no contradiction, as you can hear a sound, but not the recognize it as the voice of one speaking. So is this translation justified? Sure. The original Greek makes a distinction between hearing a sound as a noise and hearing a voice as a thought-conveying message. Haley notes "The Greek "akouo", like our word "hear", has two distinct meanings, to perceive sound, and to understand". This distinction makes sense also in light of the context. Recall the differing levels of perception. While the men heard an unintelligible sound and saw a light, Paul heard the voice and saw the person speaking. In fact, this type of distinction occurs in another place:
In this instance it relies on the NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION to clean up the contradiction because the wording is different in the Queen James version. In this instance you have Bibles contradicting Bibles, lol. April 19 at 5:43pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta i have asked you several times to use the site for so-called biblical contradictions and stop wasting my time. unless you have a contradiction that is not on the list or you are willing to discuss how what kemetics believe is different from the teachings of the satanist h.p. blavatsky, you should not interject any of your random unintelligent comments into this forum. it is reserved for those who chose to discuss these matters in a scholarly manner. you sir, as of yet, have failed to meet that bar in any way, shape, form or fashion. you have not acknowledge your serious error of claiming that the people i mentioned in the old testament were in fact real as proven by archeological evidence. and instead of continuing with that topic, you have simply chaged subjects with no recognition of your error. this show's you to be dishonest and non-scholarly at best. you sir are dismissed. April 19 at 6:12pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea You expect to believe that Davis and Solomon , who were supposed to be two of the greatest kings in existence because of one stela that may or may not say the house of David,. Get real, and you question my scholarly manner. April 19 at 7:32pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea my apologies David April 19 at 7:38pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta,unfortunately you have failed to recognize that this forum is reserved for those who wish to participatr in an archeological and historically based discussion. when in fact either disagree with you, what you believe or do not believe becomes irrelevant. the objection that you raised was to existance and not to stature. you said that these people "were non existant in history" archeology proved you were wrong. therefore you are in error and should accept the findings of archeology and not the teachings or opinions of satanist like blavatsky and frauds such as kwesi and hagins. please sir i ask you again, if you are unwilling or unable to abide by the wishes of our dear brother shakka and conduct yourself in the manner as he has perscribed that we all do,to remove yourself from the discussion as you are an impedement to illumination and clarification of the facts at hand. if you can not formulate a question that has not been asked and answered already, then i feel no need to respond to anything else that you have to say. until you conform to our host demands, i find you to be a useless irritant which will become ignored. April 19 at 7:46pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea There is no consensus that the Tel Dan Stela actually mentions David. So it proves nothing but your willingness to grasp at straws to try and prove your point. This is incontrovertible proof only to some one who wants/need to believe that David actually existed. The fragment measured 32 by 22 cm April 19 at 8:01pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "the Zingh were the people of atlantis "-KPJ
It is you who has failed to provide archaeology to substantiate your baseless claims, sir. Where is the archaeology that backs up your claims for Atlantis?
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000849.html April 19 at 8:18pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as i have often stated. you can tell just as much from what is not said as you can from what is said. notice how kenyetta has not responded to clarifying how the kemetic teachings that are the same as the despit my request that he do so. nor has he chosen to confront the "egyptian archeological" proof of moses, the plagues, the exodus,the muder of mark by the serapins or the persian record of queen esther and her family. notice how he phrases the statement; "proof only to some one who wants to believe" therefore he has made himself obvious as a puppet who only parrots what he hears and will only believe what his masters tell him in spite of the archeological facts that de-bunk those teachings. you sir are what is wrong with our people. you are another black man who is ignorant to science, ignorant to history, ignorant to archeology, ignorant to theology and unable to lead or guide your own self let alone any of the rest of us. thank you for illustrating that for me in a manner that is so convincing. i leave you to your own devices. April 19 at 8:20pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I asked you to tell me what satanist practice and I would tell you if I shared the practices. You sent a link(again). I viewed it and found nothing satanic about it. The practices in your link were in use long before Blavatsky. Try again! April 19 at 8:25pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Discussing the use of oils, and annointment is one of the first practices on the link YOU posted. It says in your Bible that Je-Zeus was anointed with oils, does that make him a Satanist? Can you show me where Blavatsky practiced any of that? I see that your method is if you throw enough on the wall something is bound to stick, but the only thing that keeps getting stuck is you!
http://sacredritualsofkemet.blogspot.com/ April 19 at 8:34pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats an intelligent question, thank you. first of all genetics tells you that all things of color are bred from the darkest colors first then to the lightest. 2nd, plato say's that the continent of atlantis sank in the great flood that happened around 11,000BC. we know that there had not been enough time for genetic difussion to occur so it is reasonable that the zingh, who existed 15,000yrs ago to fit in with this timeline. since that time they have disappeared as if swallowed by the sea. finally i offer you the "Antikythera Mechanism" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism a device that although today, the scientist say was constructed around 100BC niether the greeks nor the egyptians posessed any technology anywhere near this first hand-held computer. in fact the precision of the instrument was not duplicated until the 1900'sAD. as it was found inside of a wrecked ship at the bottom of the sea which would make carbon dating practically usesless and there was no known mechanical engineering of that time that would enable any of the then known cultures to have produced it, the logical conclusion is that it was invented at a much earlier time,although caucasians wouldnt admit this as it would then mean that it was the product of a more sophisticated civilization which would have had to been a black one. by a race of humans who were far mor superior than the ethiopians,egyptians or greeks. history writes of only one culture who were known for technilogical marvels at that time,which was atlantis. since they had to be black due to the short length of time humans had formed societies, then logic concludes that the antikythera mechanism was created by the atlantians who were if not the zingh they were the immediate decendants of the zingh. now to address your comments about what satanist practice, again you are showing your lack of scholarship. i never used the word "practice". i said "teachings". now you have the floor,so prove to us all that the teachings of kemetic reconstructionism are different than the teachings of the satanist h.p. blavatsky and the theosophical society started by her and guided by her close friend and disciple helen bailey. enlighten us. April 19 at 8:44pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "THE FOUNDERS OF ALL RELIGIONS ARE STILL IN THEIR GRAVES BUT CHRITIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION,IT IS A FAITH IN JESUS. HE IS THE ONLY MAN IN HISTORY WHO CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD. YOU CAN BELONG TO ANY RELIGIOUS GROUP WITHOUT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH ITS FOUNDER. HOWEVER,YOU CAN NOT HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST WITHOUT HAVING A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM."-Kevin Pendleton Johnson
" this forum is reserved for those who wish to participatr in an archeological and historically based discussion"-KPJ
Based on the statement above it is clear that you are incapable of having a discussion based on archaeology and actual history.
The Egyptians taught many of the things you learned in school, like science and mathematics as evidence of its use in its architecture. BE SPECIFIC! Saying that the antikythera mechanism was not a capability of the Egyptians and therefore it must be a creation of the Atlanteans is mere speculation. Try again! April 19 at 8:53pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i must admit it is true that my theory concerning the mechanism and its creator is theory but the fact that none of the then known civilizations ever posessed the technology to produce such a device is not. as far as my statement concernig faith in christ. while it is true that it was not a archeological or historical one, it is the explantion of my faith which was required at the time. just like right now i am requiring of you an explanation of how your teachings are different from the satanist and i have been asking you that for quite some time. as of yet, you have avoided the question like the plague. your silence on this matter is deafening. April 19 at 9:07pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I am not familiar with satanist teachings or practices. You are the authority on satanism in this discussion. Be specific. April 19 at 9:09pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson why do you pretend to not know what i'm talking about? you know very well what the similarities are because i've discussed this with you before! ok fine, blavatsky often used to phrase "as above so below" http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/as_above_so_below_part1.htmwhich kemetics teach blavatsky was the originator of the "christ was a myth theory" http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm which kemetics teach. and although the original osirian myth does not include isis, she uses the later version of the myth, to make it seem like christ comes from the osirian myth, which is the one kemtics teach. blavatsky taught the 7 tier theoryhttp://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html which kemetics teach. blavatsky was one of the founders of the theosophiical society http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky which kemetics teach. which of these teachings is not the teachings of the kemetics? April 19 at 9:57pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky teaches the same type of numerology that kemetics teachhttp://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/blavatsky-numbers.html blavatsky taught about the relevence of the pineal gland to the spirit and soul http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ExtensionsOfEvidence-Series/DescartesAndTheSoul.html which kemetics teach. pleas tell me which one of these 6 teachings does not correspond to the teachings of the kemetic recontructionism? April 19 at 10:02pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky taught that christ was serapis http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.html the same teaching as kemetics blavatsky taught that the catholic curch invented christ http://www.ancientwisdomcentral.us/borntodie.htm the same s kemetics. it seems that all of the pillars of kemetics are set on the foundation of the teachings of blavatsky. would someone care to show me what the differences are between these "eight" teachings of this satanist and the kemetic reconstructioinist? kenyetta? anyone? April 19 at 10:44pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "as above so below"
You mean like, on earth as it is in heaven? Stop! The vast majority of what I have been taught(still learning) looks nothing like the material you post in your links. You should not judge that which you no little of. The Nebular hypothesis of Laplace is said to have been inspired by the Shabaka stone also Keplars law of planetary motion. The Kemetu also taught that energy and matter were one long before Einstein. Is that science Satanic enough for you. as for particulars of the spiritual side, i will let you continue to guess. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.(just quoting, not implying that you are a dog or swine, though we may have differences at the end of the day you are my brother and an elder, I would not insult you in that way) April 19 at 10:48pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/stle/stle12.htm April 19 at 10:48pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Whether Blavatsky taught that Christ was Serapis is a matter of history not Satanic worship. That theory whether true or false(I think its true) has nothing what so ever to do with Kemetic spirituality. April 19 at 10:56pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WHICH ONE OF THE TEACHINGS OF BLAVATSKY THAT I LISTED IS NOT ALSO TAUGHT BY THE KEMETICS? April 19 at 10:56pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats another one of blavatsky's teachings http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ScienceAndTheSecretDoctrine/SeriesNumber47-of-103.html as i asked before, which one of the teachings of blavatsky that i listed is not also taught by the kemetics? April 19 at 11:04pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "That which we examine is not a sun at all but is only an appearance, a mere reflection to us of part of the true one. Moreover, the ancients did not believe what our modern science teaches us, namely, that light and heat proceed from our sun. The sun has no more heat in it than the moon or the space-crowding hosts of sparkling stars"
I have never been taught this. Can you find this statement in any of the works of the Kemetic scholars whom you claim received their information via Blavatsky? April 19 at 11:04pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "thats another one of blavatsky's teachings"
No it is not! Even if you can point to similar terminology, does it mean that they are teaching the same thing? Christians and Muslims have the same patriarchs but they are not teaching the same thing.
"The collision theory holds that the collision of two bodies, one of them our sun, filled the space of the solar system with fragments which later coalesced to form planets."
First of all the Kemetic creation story does not begin with created things like two bodies colliding. April 19 at 11:10pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson laplace was a satanist as well http://www.new-age-spirituality.com/articlb329 he believed in a "super intelligent demon" April 19 at 11:11pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Thats Laplace! Are you saying that there is no truth to his Nebular hypothesis which was inspired by the Shabaka stone(thousands of years before Blavatsky) has no truth to it. And if there is truth to found in it, how does it emanate from Satan. Is your god not the author of truth? April 19 at 11:14pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson your answer is non-responsive. which one of the teachings of blavatsky is not also taught by the kemtics? April 19 at 11:19pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Yawn! Your strategy of guilt by association is old and tired. Trying to associate everyone who deals with Kemet with Blavatsky and by proxy Satanism lacks creativity and sophistication. It is no different than early Christians who labeled everything they didn't understand as Pagan or Heathen. No different than a Muslim yelling infidel.
Ecclesiastes 1:5 (King James Version)
5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
The early church taught that the sun revolves around the earth. Genesis states that God created trees before HE created the sun. The early church killed scientist for teaching that the earth revolves around the sun. When your highest ideal is faith, it becomes justifiable to persecute truth and science by labeling it evil or satanic. In the Nile Valley, the priest were also scientist. Imagine that! April 19 at 11:43pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson your answer is non-responsive. what the church taught and what the bible teaches are two different things. the teachings of kemetics apear to be the same as the teachings of blavatsky. again i ask, which one of the teachings of blavatsky is not also taught by blavatsky? April 19 at 11:47pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I answered that already. Read through the last few comments and you will see. I do not like repeating myself to my children, so I see no need to do it with you, as you are not a child. Also. If you look at my last comment you will see where the bible clearly states that the sun revolves around the Earth April 19 at 11:58pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ kevin can Christ believers be better than Christ?....... April 19 at 11:58pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson please clarify. are you referring to the statement "greater works than these you will do"? please got to the list of so-called biblical contrdictions. for questions like that. http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm you're changing the subject. wil you explain to me which of the teachings of blavatsky is different from what kemetics teach? Wednesday at 12:04am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Moreover, the ancients did not believe what our modern science teaches us, namely, that light and heat proceed from our sun. The sun has no more heat in it than the moon or the space-crowding hosts of sparkling stars"
I am unaware of these teachings! Okay I repeated myself. You win! And just as you did in your first debate with Shakka you will continue to insist that I didn't Wednesday at 12:05am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh am sorry I thought we were continuing from yesterday. Am not following your conversation at the moment. Wednesday at 12:05am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sorry yani!! i apologize Wednesday at 12:06am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta your answer is non-responsive. which of the teachings of blavatsky is different from what kemetics teach? Wednesday at 12:07am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Ha ha ha! Good night Good Christian Wednesday at 12:09am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Ok so can Christ believer do better that the Christ? Wednesday at 12:11am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i fail to see the humor in some one fooling my people and telling them to follow the teachings of a satanist. there's nothing funny about this at all. and if it is funny to anyone it is funny only to those who participated in the deception! how dare you laugh at the trickery that has been played on us, traitor! Wednesday at 12:12am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i'm sorry yani but i'm just a little angry right now. let me think that through. its a question better suited for theologians. i am limited in the answers that i can give you. i know christ made a statement to that affect but its unclear of exactly what it means Wednesday at 12:14am · Like
Yani Gonzalez John 14:11-12 You must believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; OR AT LEAST BELIEVE IT ON THE EVIDENCE OF THESE WORKS. In all truth I tell you, whoever believes in me WILL PERFORM EVEN GREATER WORKS, because I am going the father. I'll help you in the mean time................. Wednesday at 12:15am
Yani Gonzalez No problem my brotha rest your self and take your time. Wednesday at 12:15am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i think thats the verse that i was talking about but right now i'm drawing a blank. as it is in so much of that gospel, the words are small but the meanings are large. its honestly the worst of the 4 to try and study. it has more monosylabic words that any of them so you jump in thinking its easy to read so it must be easy to understand. the opposite was true for me. i still need help understanding everything in it. like "he in me and i in you" Wednesday at 12:19am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea It is 'Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,' -H.P. Blavatsky.
You yourself said that the Egyptians were polytheist, so how can you say what the "Kemetics" teach and what Blavatsky taught are one and the same. I do not worship Satan, and i don't know anyone personally who does. Jedi mind tricks only work in the movies. You must have had to much communion today, lol. dont worry be happy Wednesday at 12:20am · Like
Yani Gonzalez John 14: 11-12 You must believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe it on the evidence of these works. In all truth I tell you, whoeve believes in me will perfom the same work as I do my self, and will perform even greater works, because I am goin to the Father. Wednesday at 12:21am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson is not set/sat one of the gods of kemet? is he not the evil one? where do you think the name satan comes from(sat/set) does he not do that which is satanic? Wednesday at 12:22am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea She says that Satan was the only God, You yourself said that the Egyptians worshiped many Gods. Plus Set was not always evil. The relationship between Satan and Apep would be more appropriate. You need to stay out of that blood! Wednesday at 12:25am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yeah yani, that sounds like john. i think the meaning is it is a greater work to bring some one to christ without the miracles that he performed. the thinking is that, of course the people would believe christ,he was the one performing the miracles. we do not therefore it is a greater work. i hope that answer explains it for you. kenyetta, i'm sick of you thinking that this is some damn game. people have had their families torn apart over this madness, i see nothing to laugh about at all. for your information. djedi were egyptian priest! http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/egypt_magic.html as i stated before. you are whats wrong with black america you are another black man thats ignorant about science,ignorant about archeology, ignorant about history and ignorant about theology. may we be free from the curse of black men like you! Wednesday at 12:30am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Plus she believed in Atlantis(as do you). I don't, because there is no evidence to support the existence of Atlantis or Lemuria. More flesh, less blood, Its going to your head! I went over this once with you already and you defended her Atlantis claim. Are you a Satanist Kevin? Wednesday at 12:32am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as i said before,ignorant!! atlantis was written about by plato http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/lostcontinent/qt/072507Atlantis.htm his writings on this subject are cinsidered to be historical. i believe in math as well but that dont make me a damn calculator either! just ignorant! i hope you dont breed! Wednesday at 12:37am · Like
Yani Gonzalez John 14: 11-12 You must believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe it on the evidence of these works. In all truth I tell you, whoever believes in me will perform the same work as I do my self, and will perform even greater works, because I am goin to the Father................. ................... ............ .................................. ................................ .....In truth I tell you, WHOEVER BELIEVES IN ME WILL PERFORM THE SAME WORK AS i DO MY SELF, AND WILL PERFORM EVEN GREATER WORKS.................. Wednesday at 12:38am
Yani Gonzalez iT's as clear as day. I researched it and it means what it reads. Wednesday at 12:39am
Kenyetta Bethea Who did he bring to him with his miracles? In many cases, he told the people not to tell of the miracles he performed . Plus history doesn't mention him. He bought no one to him. The Church did by the sword. Less blood more flesh, its starting to go to your head. you need the flesh to soak up all that blood, lol. Wednesday at 12:39am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i sould have said some believe it be historical. the antikytheran mechanism lends me to believe that there's more fact to it than fiction Wednesday at 12:39am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta it is obvious from the light-hearted response that you use regaring these subjects that you are a person of low degree. unitl you can answer my question as to which of the teachings of blavatsky are not also taught by the kemetics i see no reason to respond to you any longer. you sir are a fool. as my dear friend shakka has said "let the proof prove him to be a fool" and as you have not answered my question then you shall be treated as such and ignored. Wednesday at 12:44am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson good research yani. i think if you read the acts of the apostles that you will find some miracles performed by them that were not performed by christ. wether one would consider them to be greater is beyond my scope of knowledge Wednesday at 12:46am · Like
Yani Gonzalez But he wasn't only making reference to the apostles only. He clearly is making reference to WHOEVER BELIEVES. So by "The Christ Words all believers of him are suppose to be on his level or greater. What believer of the Christ out side the apostles have done as he has or greater?.................. Wednesday at 12:51am
Kenyetta Bethea Mark 8:22-25 (King James Version)
22And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
23And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
24And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
25After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
Why would he lead the man out of town? Why is he trying to hide the miracle? Why would he tell his disciples in Matthew 16:20 to tell no man that he is the Christ. Wednesday at 12:52am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani, i'm sorry but i am tired. i will be more than happy to assist you in whatever limited way i can tomorrow. as i said before. i am not a theologian and your questions are too deep to try and answer in my present condition. i do thank you though as you have asked real questions as one who wnats knowledge. i dont have that paricular market cornered so please bare with me in trying to provide the information you request. to all i will say that i am most distressed. it has come to my attention that indeed some families have been torn apart over the teachings of the kemetic reconstructionist. children have disrespected and mocked their parents. parents have encourage their children to do the same to others even family members. as far as i'm concerned this has been a sad chapter in the history of our people and a lot of folks owe a lot of apologies. may you all find peace and restitution with your loved ones whom you have been seperated from. thank you all for your patience that you have had with me. if anyone would like to answer my question which others seemed to not want to touch witha 10 foot pole i await your response. good night and may god bless you and yours Wednesday at 12:55am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Mark 5:35-43 (King James Version)
35While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
36As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
37And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
38And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
39And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
40And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.
41And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.
42And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.
43And he charged them straitly that no man should know it; and commanded that something should be given her to eat. Wednesday at 12:57am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea he didn't intend to draw people to him by miracles Wednesday at 12:58am
Yani Gonzalez No problem again my brother. Peace be upon u. And have a blessed night. Wednesday at 12:58am
Kenyetta Bethea He has to consult a website Wednesday at 12:59am · Like
Yani Gonzalez And yours as well............ Wednesday at 1:00am
Yani Gonzalez I really really dislike Shakespeare with a passion. I do straight English New Jerusalem Bible. I don't understand how someone who know nothing of Shakespeare has that bible when there's on in simple English . SMH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wednesday at 1:04am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani i dont know if the beleivers outside of the apostle were included in that statement. it could be, but i honestly cant say as i have not studied that part of the book for a while. my last study was in the revelation and it was four months long. the one i'm in now is genesis and i believe that it is equally long. i study through the whole bible going thru every book, chapter and verse over a five year period of time. i would share that link now but i was told by our gracious host not to prostelize on his page,so i will respect him as he has been most respectful to me. if anyone sends me a friend request i will be happy to share that study with you. thank you brother shakka wherever you are. you are a man to be respected and honored for your tact,wisdom,intelligence and sense of inclusiveness. i wish we had more brothers like you even if we chose different faiths. peace. Wednesday at 1:04am
Yani Gonzalez *ONE Wednesday at 1:04am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i gave up the king james a while ago as soon as i learned of the catholics churchs influence upon it. i prefer the Geneva bible. its the onr that the catholic church wanted to have destroyed. not any real changes in it,i just believe that the catholic church is evil incarnate. so i want nothing to do with anything associated with them if i can help it Wednesday at 1:07am · Like
Yani Gonzalez I'LL tell you what I have all the patience in the world. Am not going any where. You take your time on that and study it well. As will I. And me an you won't hit on anything else on the bible until with both have a full understanding of John 14........... Wednesday at 1:08am
Yani Gonzalez But it's because of them you know what you know today. The crusade respected no ones origin. .....................................................................................Jesus did say love your enemy so watch it your suppose to be Christ like. Wednesday at 1:13am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta, perhaps if you had consulted a web-site or two, you might not look like an utter and complete fool. wow yani! full understanding,huh? whew! guess my bible study just got a lot more intense!! lol!! we'll get ther my friend. i will say this. i have been studying the bible for over 25yrs. always in the five yr format, i am humbled to say that there is so much in there that i still dont completely understand. i dont feel bad about it because my teacher, who has a phd in theology and taught hebrew and greek at a university, has taught it for 50yrs and shares the same sentiment. if it was easy to understand it wouldnt be the word of god. we'll proceed tomorrow. Wednesday at 1:15am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani, i thought about what you were saying concerning the elizabethian english format of the the kng james bible. it is difficult to grasp at times. however, the one thing i have noticed is that the words which are used as substutes in the newer versions often lose their meanings in the substitution. but even more disconcerting is that the best known concordances are geared to the elizabethian version. this makes it neccessary that in order to really study the book you have to have and elizabethian worded version. even with that certain words in the english language are inadequate on its own for translation of the greek language. for instance in the king james version,book of the revelation chpt 9:21 reads "Neither repented they of their murders, nor their sorceries,..." contemporary english version say's "No one stopped murdering or practicing witchcraft or..." Now if i get my Strong's Concordance and look up the word "witchcraft", the word is not listed as a word from that book. Here's where it gets interesting. When i use the king james version and look for the word "sorceries" i find it in the concordance under the number 5331 in the greek lexicon which translates in the greek "Pharmakeia". This is the word from where we get the word "Pharmacy" or "Drugs". Unfortunately, the medical profession at the time had lost of the gains made by the egyptians and greeks,. Therefore there were no physcians who had a knowledge of applying medicinal treatments for their patients. Man at that time was convinced that everything was about evil spirits. Drs who wanted to use drugs/herbs were veiwed as using witchcraft. Which meant that they didnt know what the application of the word was. So then you see the verse properly reads "Neither repented they of their murders or their drug use..." So then as it is an inconvenient way of studying the book, it is a realization that true scholarly study requires an elizabethian version to study from and there are times where i may have to look at several versions in order to get a complete understanding of what the words really mean. To this end, i recommend the Geneva bible http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html its the version that the catholic church ordered burned. A few copies survived and are now available on line such as the site i just gave you. So avoid the new english translations when at all possible. Wednesday at 1:35pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez 11 Believe me, that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me; at the least, believe me for the very works’ sake. 12 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he shall do also, and greater than these shall he do; for I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye ask in my Name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask anything in my Name, I will do it. And still it means the same thing.................. Wednesday at 1:45pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson There are a few of these types of situations with the translation from greek to english throughout the book in fact there is a problem with translating the hebrew text of the old testament into greek and then to english. Take for instance genesis 3:16 contemporary english version say's "You will suffer terribly when you give birth. But you will still desire your husband ,and he will rule over you". the king james version say's "..in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire (shall be) to thy husband" first of all i want you to note the words in parenthasies. they appear as italic in the king james to denote that they were added to help the passage read smoother. th correct reading is "in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;and thy desire to thy husband" when looking up the word desire in the hebrew lexicon its found as no. 8669 "te shuwqah" in the original, sense of strecthing out after. however it say's that it comes from no. 7783 "shuwq" which means to run after or over. therfore the verse might be best read "in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and you will run after or run over your husband" the curse was that the equality and balance that god had given to the woman was lost. i once remarked to a friend that basically all women could be seperated into those two catagories when it came to how they dealt with men and the good ones do both. lol!! so then it is a difficult book to grasp and it requires a certain diligence in research to assure yourself that you get the right understanding. Wednesday at 2:01pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you might want to try a commentary like this one by matthew henry http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-concise/ i know some apologetics,history,hebrew culture and prophecy to a limited degree. commentary is way above my pay grade so i would be useless to you in the pursuit of understanding complex theology. sorry i cant help you. Wednesday at 2:13pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson gotta go be back later Wednesday at 2:14pm
Yani Gonzalez Oh lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if the mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed. Or the Christ was lying........... Is either on or the other. No in between. Wednesday at 2:21pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the double standard applied by kemetics is amazing. lol!! first you say, "you see, you got to see past the words and look for an esoteric meaning" when it comes to what you believe. but, when it comes to the bible you want to take whatever you want to be literal. dats funny!! that is one of your greatest weaknesses. just like when kemetics were making the false claim that the people in the bible were myths and calling christ any kind of dirty name they could,that was "teaching",so it was cool. but when the believers started pointing out the satanic roots of what you beleived in,then we had slave mentallities,loved the white man more than our own people,our eye's were closed, we have been brainwashed,etc ,etc. that is hypocracy to the highest of heights. you remind me of da guy in school who was a real sucker. his only option to get a girl was to make everyone else look bad by spreading lies and rumors about them. he could never sell the girl he wanted, on being with him based on what he was about, because basically, he was a sucker. eventually, everyone found out just how big a sucker he was then he wound up with da sister with da pop bottle glasses and smelled bad. the jig is up my brother. there are at least 9 things that were taught by the satanist madame h. p. blavatsky that are currently the basis for the teachings of kemetics. and instead of addressing such a crucial flaw in what you believe,you want to knit pick one of the most profound books in the bible? lol!! this is typical for people who are caught lying, they want to change the subject. i aint going for the head fakes. so what you need to do is show everyone how what you teach is different from what that satanist taught and that her followers continue to teach. i have been asking that queston now for over 24 hours and have yet to recieve an answer. the time is ticking and none has came forth to show what the differences are. eventually all who are watching will have to conclude that there is no difference between the doctrines of blavatsky and the teachings of kemetic reconstructionism and that kemeitcs is the doctrine of demons; as the person who's teachings you follow was a satanist. again, its been over 24 hours and no one has come forth to explain to us all how the teachings of kemetics is different from the the teachings of the satanist blavatsky. perhaps you need to focus more on that little issue than the bigger one of understanding the word of god. thank you for your comments they have served a useful purpose in exposing you for what you are, a deciever. tick...tock...still no answer......????? Wednesday at 5:15pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if they mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................................... Wednesday at 5:24pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sorry i'm not letting you change the subject with a distraction. we're still wating for you to show us the differences between what the kemetics teach and what the satanist blavtsky taught. why wont you answer? Wednesday at 5:29pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson surely you must know the differences? you know enough to critique the bible then certainly you must know enough to point out the difference between your teachings and the satanist? tell us, what are the differences? Wednesday at 5:35pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh you was talking to me?................... Wednesday at 5:45pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez lol Wednesday at 5:45pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson still no answer, 25 hours and counting Wednesday at 5:50pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez I've answered your question. Scroll up. I study Kemet DIRECTLY not via blavtsky or he or she's teachings. You might want to direct your question to blavtsky followers. I love how you call others out their name and accuse them of all sort's of trickery and yet you do the same. Hmmmmmmmm Wednesday at 5:52pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson your answer is non-responsive. list for us the differences Wednesday at 5:53pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez And am not against God in any way fashion or form. So that throws out me worshiping satan. Wednesday at 5:53pm
Yani Gonzalez Funny how you totally avoided my questions. Why do u expect me to care about someone who wasn't in Kemet?........... I said I fallow Kemetic teachings not blavtsky. That human wasn't there so how is what blavtsky teaches relavent?............... Wednesday at 5:56pm
Yani Gonzalez I didn't even know of that name until I became a part of this forum. Wednesday at 5:58pm
Yani Gonzalez Blavtsky is equivalent to Jim Jones (the Christian who murdered hundred of people) . But am curious now so am going to see who this blavtsky is. Wednesday at 6:14pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Commonsense blawtsky actually is equal to the church you dispite. Wednesday at 6:16pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Blavatsky used the compounded word Root-race as a technical term to describe each of the seven successive stages of human evolution that take place over large time periods in her cosmology. She called the current stage, the fifth one, "Aryan". This word was commonly employed by the scholars of the 19th century to refer to what today is known as the Indo-European ethnic groups, although Blavatsky's description of the Aryan Root-race comprised the entire humanity. This Root-race was preceded by the fourth one, which developed in Atlantis, while the third Root-race is denominated "Lemurian". She described the Aryan Root-race in the following way: “ The Aryan races, for instance, now varying from dark brown, almost black, red-brown-yellow, down to the whitest creamy colour, are yet all of one and the same stock — the Fifth Root-Race — and spring from one single progenitor, (...) who is said to have lived over 18,000,000 years ago, and also 850,000 years ago — at the time of the sinking of the last remnants of the great continent of Atlantis. ” Although the whole humanity belongs to the same Root-race, her evolutionary view naturally admits a difference in development between various ethnic groups: “ The occult doctrine admits of no such divisions as the Aryan and the Semite, accepting even the Turanian with ample reservations. The Semites, especially the Arabs, are later Aryans — degenerate in spirituality and perfected in materiality." ” She also states that: “ There are, or rather still were a few years ago, descendants of these half-animal tribes or races, both of remote Lemurian and Lemuro-Atlantean origin ... Of such semi-animal creatures, the sole remnants known to Ethnology were the Tasmanians, a portion of the Australians and a mountain tribe in China, the men and women of which are entirely covered with hair. ” It is important to notice, however, that her teachings talk about three separate levels of evolution: physical, intellectual, and spiritual. Blavatsky states that there are differences in the spiritual evolution of the Monads, in their intellectual development of the souls, and in the physical qualities of the bodies. She also states that cultures follow a cycle of rising, development, degeneration, and eventually disappear. But these three levels of evolution are separate. In her teachings, the incarnating souls are beyond sex, nationality, religions, and other physical or cultural characteristics. In its evolutionary journey, every soul has to take birth in every culture in the world, where it acquires different skills and learns different lessons.  This means that ethnic groups do not have attached a particular group of souls more or less evolved than those of other groups (except, perhaps, in the case of savages of some tribes). Thus, even though she declares the Arabs are "later Aryans, degenerate in spirituality and perfected in materiality" she also stated that there were wise and initiated teachers among the Jews and the Arabs. In Blavatsky's view, she was giving cold "scientific" facts (taught by what she called the "Occult Science") but her thinking was not connected to any fascist or racist ideas as some of her critics say. The first aim of the Theosophical Society she founded is "To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour" and her writings are full of references emphasizing the unity of humanity: "all men have spiritually and physically the same origin" and that "mankind is essentially of one and the same essence". Also, the Theosophical teachings emphasize that a soul is less evolved than other simply because it is "younger". There is no intrinsic difference in worth between souls of different degrees of evolution just as there is not between a child and an adult. Research into the history of the Theosophical Society shows that these teachings did not induce attitudes of racism among its members and their activities. As an example, it can be pointed out that in the late 19th century India the Theosophical Society was the only place where Hindus of different castes would share meals and discussions. The same happened between white and black people in the Republic of South Africa during the apartheid. Blavatsky does not claim that the present Aryan Root-race is the last and highest of them all. She prophecies the destruction of the current races as the group of souls that comprise the current humanity appears in the future as "higher races": “ Thus will mankind, race after race, perform its appointed cycle-pilgrimage. Climates will, and have already begun, to change, each tropical year after the other dropping one sub-race, but only to beget another higher race on the ascending cycle; while a series of other less favoured groups — the failures of nature — will, like some individual men, vanish from the human family without even leaving a trace behind. Such is the course of Nature under the sway of KARMIC LAW: of the ever present and the ever-becoming Nature.[42 Wednesday at 6:20pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as it is written "Thou beleivest that there is one god;thou doest well :the devils also believe,and tremble" beleiving in a god does not make you someone who does not worship satan, demons believe that there is a god and satan is still there master. your answer is still non-responsive. let me help you. blavatsky taught that things ahve to be learned esoterically http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/exotericesoteric.html what is different about this from what you teach? blavatsky coined the phrase "as above so below" which say's truth and falsehood as it is above is the same as that which is below, and that which is below is the same as that which is above, for the performance of miracles of the one thing. and as all things are from the one,by mediation of one,so all things have their birth form this one thing by adatation.http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/as_above_so_below_part1.htm what is different about this from what ou teach? blavatsky taught that there is wisdom in solar reverence as well as the seven tier theory http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-esoteric.htm what about this is different from what you teach? blavatsky taught that christian dogma had pagan roots http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/christianity/ChristianDogmas.html what about this is different from what you teach? blavatsky taught about the importance of the pineal gland and the spinal column http://www.american-buddha.com/blavatsky.secretdoctrine.book2.htm what about this is different from what you teach? blavatsky taught that the church invented christ at the nicean council http://www.ancientwisdomcentral.us/borntodie.htm what about this is different from what you teach? blavatsky taught that christ was taken from the story of isis and osiris http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm what about this is different from what you teach? blavatsky taught about the power of numerology http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/blavatsky-numbers.html what about this is different from what you teach? blavatsky taught that christ was serapis http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.htm what about this is different from what you teach? go ahead any time you're ready, take them one at a time. would you like a fresh clock?l Wednesday at 6:23pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson answer the questions. please. Wednesday at 6:26pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson non-responsive Wednesday at 6:30pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if thats what the page say's then its not debateable unless you can provide proof to the contrary Wednesday at 6:36pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Wow wait........lol am wrong............. Wednesday at 6:46pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez According to what am reading she thought unity. Wednesday at 6:46pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez According to Blavatsky the church turned him into Satan (which means the opponent) to fit him into the newly framed Christian dogmas. A similar view is also shared by the Christian Gnostics, ancient and modern. So david What makes her a Satan worshiper?............ Wednesday at 6:48pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhh I like this here you actually thought me something. Wednesday at 6:50pm
Yani Gonzalez The last link shows up as an error Wednesday at 6:59pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson she saw satan as being the light bearer, the universal saviour.http://www.plim.org/2Luciferian.htm that means he is to be worshipped therefore blavatsky worshipped satan http://www.mgr.org/FalseDawn-CH10.html i almost forgot, she also taught that man was god. what about this is different from what you teach? Wednesday at 6:59pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson which one shows up an error? Wednesday at 7:00pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez It not let me repost it. Wednesday at 7:21pm
Yani Gonzalez Before we proceed. What is or who is Satan to you?....... Wednesday at 7:35pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the question is not who is he to me? nor is the question is who is he to you? by the way this is the teaching from blavatsky that wouldnt work for you. where blavatsky teaches that christ is serapis, just like the kemetic say's christ is serapis http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.html the question was, can you show us the difference between what kemetics teach and what the satanist blavatsky taught? i listed seversl points, including that she taught that christ is serapis. show us whats different than what you teach. Wednesday at 7:52pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez So what is Satan to you?............. Wednesday at 8:03pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson non-responsive. you are trying to change the subject. that is not permissable. it has been 1 hour since my original questions, still no response. Wednesday at 8:05pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Because if it's negativity the Most High creator of ALL created All including negativity............. Please dude you had me here thinking we were talking about something to then realize when you couldn't answer it that I was of the subject. I've been plenty patient with u so slow your rope. You know damn well am learning about this woman as we speak. Wednesday at 8:08pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson it has been 26 hours since i first asked if there was any kemetic that could show me how what they teach is different from what the satanist blavatsky taught, still no answer? Wednesday at 8:08pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Funny how when we both were off topic before you wasn't of the topic then. Trust me I know nothing of the subject NOW. But am a quick learner. Don't push it. I demand the same respect I've been giving you. Wednesday at 8:11pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson non-responsive. i never said that i could not answer the question. i said that i asked you a set of questions over an hour ago and you are still being non-responsive. before you pretended to have a sincere understanding of the texts from john. unfortunately your goal wasnt that at all. i was man enough to tell you that i had a limited ability to offer commentary on the texts. now either you know the differences or you dont. if you dont know the differences thats okay because from what i've seen there are none. you can recluse yourself if you would like. i got on this page presenting facts as much as the questions and dialogue would prevent. i answered every question asked of me to the best of my ability. and never ducked any of them. now i am seeking reciprocity, i want some answers to my questions.can you provide them or not? if not then we shall discuss nothing else as i want reciprocity. i answered your questions kemet, when will one of you answer mine? Wednesday at 8:19pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson there's a certain irony here. for years, the kemetics have left the weak-minded believers stunned and silent as they asked them all these questions concerning our faith and our lord. now someone has answered those questions and has questions of his own. meanwhile the kemetics are in stunned and silent. very intersting,very interesting indeed. Wednesday at 8:23pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez YOU LIE!!!!!!!!!!! If you stroll up. I asked very simple questions and you never answer them! Look at all the questions you didn't answer. But I know what's next Oh they weren't related to the topic. And if were going to stick to the topic. This thread topic is CHRISTIANITY' IS NOT ANCIENT EGYPTIAN RELIGION STOLEN? So your off the topic here. Wednesday at 8:28pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if you read what i said. i gave you the best answer i had concerninng the text "greater things than these". as you are not the moderator of this page nor am i. you can not tell me that i am off subject. the counterpoint to the topic of the thread is what i represent. sorry if you're use to the same old "lets go on fb and trash christ while everyone sits back and shuts up forum" our host has not chosen to allow that. as of yet, you are still unresponsive 26 hours and counting. Wednesday at 8:36pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sorry i'm not letting you change the subject with a distraction. we're still wating for you to show us the differences between what the kemetics teach and what the satanist blavtsky taught. why wont you answer? 3 hours ago · Like If you look I never changed the subject we where talking about John 14 Wednesday at 8:42pm
Yani Gonzalez So it's ok for you to moderate.................. Wednesday at 8:43pm
Yani Gonzalez hmmmmmmmmmmm Wednesday at 8:43pm
Yani Gonzalez And what trash have I spoken about Christians?............. Wednesday at 8:44pm
Yani Gonzalez And I see you limit counterpointing to only you.................. Yeah that's very Christ like.............. Smh!!!!!!!!!! You sir sound like does you speak negatively speak against. Smh!!!!!!!!!!!! Wednesday at 9:01pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson non-responsive. the original question was asked of kenyetta yesterday around 7pm. 26 hours and still no answer from him. three hours for you, ok. still you have not answered my questions. you are still non-responsive. Wednesday at 9:20pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez And I clearly told you I wasn't paying attention to you conversation. My question to you didn't pertain to your conversation with Kenyetta. You was okay with OUR conversation till you ran into a ROADBLOCK. Wednesday at 9:25pm
Yani Gonzalez Then when you don't want to answer my question you want to change the subject. Yet you have the nerve to accuse others of trickery when you spew it out your self. Wednesday at 9:28pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson in answer to your question, i am not moderating my friends page. that authority was not given to me. i was,however, told by the moderator that my position would be allowed. if the question is, has christianity been stolen from egypt? my position is that it rest on the premise of the teachings of blavatsky. as she was the very first person to create the "christ is a myth theory". i am thereby allowed to show how and why that theory was developed and how it is used byt he satanist blavatsky ands how it is being used by kemetics today. in the course of such actions i am also allowed to present the other aspects of kemetic teaching that supports that theory and their link to blavatsky. i. e. if you eliminate chrsit as being real and then claim the 7 tier theory as a replacement for the teachings of the bible when it comes to the afterlife,then it is fair for me to be allowed to show how and why that theory was developed by blavatsky and used by kemetics today. i was okay with your questions until i had exhausted my ability to illuminate the texts to your satisfaction and you took the position that the text and christ were a lie. from that point forward i was no longer obligated to answer anymore of your questions and i am perfectly in my right to ask of you the questions that i have. this is called fairness. you are still non-responsive. 4 hours and counting. Wednesday at 9:35pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as the record shows i asked my questions at least an hour before you asked yours. you are still non-responsive. Wednesday at 9:39pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson 4 hours and counting Wednesday at 9:40pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez You lie again!!!!!!! I never took the position that Chris and the text lie. I clearly asked a question. Wednesday at 9:40pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if they mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................................... Wednesday at 9:42pm
Yani Gonzalez Let the record show clearly that Kevin is a lier!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wednesday at 9:47pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if they mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................................... THIS WAS WHAT "YOU SAID" 4HRS AGO. you said either i'm not a beleiver, which i am or christ was lying. you are still non-responsive. 4hrs and counting. Wednesday at 9:47pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Lol Clearly you don't practice lmao what the Christ says!!!!!!!!!!!! Wednesday at 9:48pm
Yani Gonzalez *John 14 Wednesday at 9:50pm
Yani Gonzalez So you either practice the Christ fully or you just like the man. Smh!!!!!! Wednesday at 9:51pm
Yani Gonzalez Clearly your not a believer By the Christ words. Not mine!!!!!!!! Wednesday at 9:52pm
Yani Gonzalez So where am I speaking trash?.................. And there where questions I asked you before that you didn't answer. Let the record show who speaking the truth!!!!!!!!!! Wednesday at 9:53pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson non-responsive. stop trying to change the subject and answer the questions. what you fail to understand is that there are many people witnessisng this exchange. i'm sure none of them have missed the fact that you are prepared to talk about anything other than the answer to the questions that i asked. they're watching and so far you are not representing the kemtic position very well at all. i suggest that if you do not want to appear to be eveding the questions that you either recluse yourself or answer the question. you are still non-responsive and have not attempted to answer any of the questions. thus far 4hrs and counting Wednesday at 9:55pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani. i think if you read the acts of the apostles that you will find some miracles performed by them that were not performed by christ. wether one would consider them to be greater is beyond my scope of knowledge 21 hours ago · LikeUnlike as the record states, i answered your question according to my scope of knowledge on that subject 21hrs ago. you are still non-responsive Wednesday at 10:00pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Dude answer my questions first. 1 and to You know damn well I knew nothing of this woman till this forum and you brung her to my attention. Lets be smart here. What part of I don't know about the woman and I don't follow Kemete via she you can't comprehend. Why are you still avoding the initial question I asked during our conversation prior to you hitting a roadblock. Wednesday at 10:01pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez I didn't ask you anything about any other apostle. I asked you about Jonh. Specifically John 14. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<That was what OUR conversation was about not Blavatsky. Wednesday at 10:06pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh please someone go through conversation and prior to our conversation and show this man the questions he didn't answer. Because he don't see he's wrongs. Wednesday at 10:08pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh please someone go through our conversation and prior to our conversation and show this man my questions he didn't answer. Because he don't see he's wrongs. Wednesday at 10:09pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson there was no road block yani.( i think if you read the acts of the apostles that you will find some miracles performed by them that were not performed by christ. wether one would consider them to be greater is beyond my scope of knowledge) 21 hours ago · LikeUnlike you recieved the best answer i could give you ( i think the meaning is it is a greater work to bring some one to christ without the miracles that he performed. the thinking is that, of course the people would believe christ,he was the one performing the ...miracles. we do not therefore it is a greater work. i hope that answer explains it for you.) yani( i dont know if the beleivers outside of the apostle were included in that statement) (as it is in so much of that gospel, the words are small but the meanings are large. its honestly the worst of the 4 to try and study. it has more monosylabi...c words that any of them so you jump in thinking its easy to read so it must be easy to understand. the opposite was true for me. i still need help understanding everything in it. like "he in me and i in you") these are the four answers that i gave you. so you have not recalled the events as they transpired. you are still non-responsive 5hrs and counting Wednesday at 10:12pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson interestingly, i gave you four answers and you have not given me one. Wednesday at 10:13pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Really brotha how many times must you have me repeat my self. I don't know Blavastky. Why would I entertain a debate I know nothing about?.......... Again I know of Kemet not via Blavastky. Wednesday at 10:29pm
Yani Gonzalez Am learning about her now. Wednesday at 10:29pm
Yani Gonzalez Am going to bed. But tomorrow I'll have all the questions posted that you didn't answer. Wednesday at 10:30pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you can read cant you? i posted the pages for you to read. either you recognize it as similar to what you teach or you dont. this isnt rocket science. i'm not asking you to split the atom. i said read the pages that i offered and show me how what kemetics taught that was different from what she taught. as i remembered you were a johnny come lately to this forum. it is obvious that i was answering the attackes from the kemtics. since you entered into a discussion field where i was already answering questions for days prior to your arrival, you have no right to ask me any questions without first answering mine. i gave you "four" answers concerning john 14. if you are not satisfied with those answers then it is not my fault. you on the other hand have been totoally non-responsive for 5hrs, doing everything you could to change the subject,ignore the questions that i had previously answered andd have proven from your silence that you can not differentiate between the teachings of kemet anf the teachings of blavatsky. until you are prepared to answer those questions any questions from you will and should be deemed as your attempt to decieve us and avoid answering the questions. remember,people are watching you and as of now you're not looking very well at all. Wednesday at 10:39pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Unlike u my brotha I don't claim to now anything I fully don't understand. Am going directly to the source and researching her before I have anything negatively to say about her. Your little links here and their are just that yours and other ppls. Wednesday at 10:43pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson what you need to be posting are the answers to my questions that you after 5hrs still have not given. i charge kemetics as being an exstension of the teachings of blavatsky as they have charged that christ was the teachings of myths. i jumped in and provided answers as to how he was not a myth nor created by the nicean council. i did this in my own words and posted sites that would support my conclusions. unless you are prepared to answer the charges against the kemetic teachings, as i answered the charges against christ, you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting. you will be ignored if you provide me with anything other than the answers to my questions. what are you not prepared to defend your belief system? that makes you a pretty poor example of a disciple of kemetics indeed. i await my answers Wednesday at 10:47pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez @Kevin further more I was clear from the beginning. I answer your question by letting you know I knew nothing of her. Wednesday at 10:48pm
Yani Gonzalez Sir how do expect me to answer something I know nothing off. Ok let me reiterate it for you. I don't know!!!!!!!! See I don't directly know her doctrine. Am not taking your word for whey you don't even know your doctrine fully. Wednesday at 10:51pm
Yani Gonzalez Am I understood now my brotha?...................... Wednesday at 10:52pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez I clearly stated that before we started our dialog........... Wednesday at 10:54pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez You then had no problem indulging in our conversation. Wednesday at 10:54pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea @ Yani,For the record, I answered the question more than once. He only says that I didn't. Blavatsky is his only DEVICE. I explained to Kevin that I know little about her. His strategy is to link all things Kemet to a woman that lived within the last 200 years. At the same time trying to distance himself from the mother church(catholic). It was not satanist who raped and murdered the indigenous people of Africa, Australia, and the Americas. It was Christians and Muslims. In the scheme of things(whats relative to our lives and conditions) Blavatsky (satanism)is insignificant. Kevin just wants to blow her up and pin her on Kemet. I simply saw what he was doing and as he says left him alone to his own DEVICES(Blavatsky,satanism). Without that he has no argument. Don't expect him to give it up, his ego is on the line. How has satanism disenfranchised my people is what I would like to know? Wednesday at 10:56pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WHICH ONE OF THE TEACHINGS OF BLAVATSKY THAT I LISTED IS NOT ALSO TAUGHT BY THE KEMETICS? Yesterday at 10:56pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats another one of blavatsky's teachings http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ScienceAndTheSecretDoctrine/SeriesNumber47-of-103.html as i asked before, which one of the teachings of blavatsky that i listed is not also taught by the kemetics? 23 hours ago · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "That which we examine is not a sun at all but is only an appearance, a mere reflection to us of part of the true one. Moreover, the ancients did not believe what our modern science teaches us, namely, that light and heat proceed from our sun. The sun has no more heat in it than the moon or the space-crowding hosts of sparkling stars"
I have never been taught this. Can you find this statement in any of the works of the Kemetic scholars whom you claim received their information via Blavatsky? 23 hours ago · Like
To much blood(wine) Wednesday at 11:01pm
Yani Gonzalez @ kenyetta (smile) Wednesday at 11:08pm
Kenyetta Bethea Maybe he is using reverse psychology on us to make us more familiar with satanism. Perhaps it is Kevin who has a satanist agenda. Like I told him, he is the only authority on satanism in this forum. Wednesday at 11:09pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson again the double standard from the kemetics. you attack the believers with information of which they know nothing about and when they can not answer your questions immediately, you ridicule them and call them brainwashed, accuse them of loving the white man more than their own people, tell them that they have a slave mentallity. but when the tables are turned then you claim ignorance? the believers could never hide behind the satement " I simply saw what he was doing and as he says left him alone to his own DEVICES(kemetics/esoterics). Without that he has no argument." then you have the nerve to say that it is insignificant, that all of your teachings are exactly the same as the teachings of blavatsky, the satanist. i beg to differ, thats quite significant in any scheme that you can imagine.im just guessing but i dont think that anyone who became interested in kemetics was interested in following the teachings of a satanist. this is the charge and the people want answers and your continued evasion of those questions are becoming glaringly apparent. Wednesday at 11:15pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta you were asked about the 9 similarities between the teachings of the kemetics and the teachings of blavatsky. the comparisons were laid out for you and you have gone 28hrs without responding to the questions. Wednesday at 11:18pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea It is 'Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,' -H.P. Blavatsky.
You yourself said that the Egyptians were polytheist, so how can you say what the "Kemetics" teach and what Blavatsky taught are one and the same. I do not worship Satan, and i don't know anyone personally who does. Jedi mind tricks only work in the movies. You must have had to much communion today, lol. dont worry be happy 22 hours ago · Like Wednesday at 11:22pm
Yani Gonzalez I never claimed to know anything you know. Not ones see unlike you I don't need to lie. Further more I've never attacked you. You attacked me. Numerous time by calling me a lier and claiming what I spoke of was trash. NOT ONE TIME HAVE I DISRESPECT YOU YET YOU CONTINUE TO DISRESPECT ME. I haven't even claimed that I have anything against your Christ. Am just not a follower of the text. Wednesday at 11:23pm
Yani Gonzalez And am not against God in any way fashion or form. So that throws out me worshiping satan. 5 hours ago · Unlike · 1 person Wednesday at 11:24pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WHICH ONE OF THE TEACHINGS OF BLAVATSKY THAT I LISTED IS NOT ALSO TAUGHT BY THE KEMETICS? Yesterday at 10:56pm · Like Wednesday at 11:26pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea To much blood, lol Wednesday at 11:26pm
Yani Gonzalez So sad............. Smh!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly he only want's to see what he want's to see. Wednesday at 11:27pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson kenyetta you were asked about the 9 similarities between the teachings of the kemetics and the teachings of blavatsky. the comparisons were laid out for you and you have gone 28hrs without responding to the questions. 8 minutes ago · Like
Now who is the liar? Wednesday at 11:28pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson right now i am requiring of you an explanation of how your teachings are different from the satanist and i have been asking you that for quite some time. as of yet, you have avoided the question like the plague. your silence on this matter is deafening.See More Yesterday at 9:07pm · LikeUnlike kenyetta i was wrong about you. its been almost 48hrs with out an answer from you on the charge that the teachings of the kemetics are exactly the same as the teaching of blavatsy
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you need to deal with the fact that everything that you have been taught was first proposed by a satanist blavatsky,instead of trying to divert the attention away from the satanic roots of kemetic reconstructionism. thats the truth that you... can not escape no matter how much you try. you would be better served by proving how much of what you believe is different from the teachings of blavatsky. that you have not proven in any way,shape,form or means. nor, interestingly enough you have not even attempted to do. thats where you need to focus your attention. Sunday at 1:17am Wednesday at 11:31pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson yani did you say that you never attacked christ? your memory is very short, you said that he was a liar Wednesday at 11:34pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky was the first person to suggest that christ was serapis http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.html how is what kemetics teach different from what she taught? Wednesday at 11:38pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky taught numerology http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/blavatsky-numbers.html how is that different from what you teach? Wednesday at 11:39pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky taught that christ was created by the nicean council http://www.ancientwisdomcentral.us/borntodie.htm how is that different from what kemetics teach Wednesday at 11:42pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Even if Blavatsky taught numerology, How is that satanism? . If Blavatsky taught that Christ was created at the Nicene council, How is that satanism? If Blavatsky says 2+2=4 is that satanism?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology#History Wednesday at 11:47pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if blavatsky was the first to teach that christ was serapis or the first to teach that christ was created by the nicean council, it was done for the purposes of promoting satanism. if you then use it to support kemetics ,you are also supporting satanism. you shouldnt need a slide-rule to figure that out Wednesday at 11:51pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if they mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................................... THIS WAS WHAT "YOU SAID" 4HRS AGO. you said either i'm not a beleiver, which i am or christ was lying. you are still non-responsive. 4hrs and counting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lol that my brotha is called a question that you never answered. Since I've answered all of your question why not answer this one? Wednesday at 11:51pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson again i ask, how is what kemetics teach different from what blavatsky taught Wednesday at 11:53pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky taught about the relationship between the pineal gland and the spine. http://www.american-buddha.com/blavatsky.secretdoctrine.book2.htm how is what kemetics teach different from what blavatsky taught? Wednesday at 11:56pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez I hope you have the since not to be asking me the question again. Wednesday at 11:57pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez * That Wednesday at 11:58pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as you have not answered the questions, i most certainly will!! how is what the kemetics teach concerning the claim christ was created by the nicean council different from what blavatsky taught. she was the first person to ever take that posotion Wednesday at 11:59pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky was the first person inhistory to teach the "christ is a myth theory" http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm how is what the kemetics teach different from what blavatsky taught? Thursday at 12:02am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Sir how do expect me to answer something I know nothing off. Ok let me reiterate it for you. I don't know!!!!!!!! See I don't directly know her doctrine. Am not taking your word for whey you don't even know your doctrine fully. about an hour ago · Like · 1 person Thursday at 12:02am
Yani Gonzalez Sir how do expect me to answer something I know nothing off. Ok let me reiterate it for you. I don't know!!!!!!!! See I don't directly know her doctrine. Am not taking your word for whey you don't even know your doctrine fully. about an hour ago · Like · 1 person Thursday at 12:02am
Yani Gonzalez And initially I told you this. Thursday at 12:03am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson the believers dont know the kemetic doctrine but you demand instant answers from them or you call them brainwashed, say that they have a slave mentallity, tell them how ignorant they are about our history. but now you want to claim ignorance? you wasnt claiming ignorance when you said that either i wasnt a believer or christ was a lie. so dont start gettn all soft now. answer up!! Thursday at 12:06am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES????? Thursday at 12:07am · Like
Yani Gonzalez I haven't done no such thing. And I don't ask u anything about Kemet? Thursday at 12:08am · Like
Yani Gonzalez All my question to you where directed towards what you claim you fallow. Thursday at 12:08am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats right you asked me about my faith in relationship to the passage from john 14. i gave you four answers. now i'm asking about your faith in relationship to the teachings that you follow, like the "christ is a myth" theory. now my questions to you are about the similarities of what you follow and the teachings of blavatsky which are the original bases of what you teach. so whats the difference? Thursday at 12:12am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky invented the theory that christ is a myth. how is that different from what the kekemtics teach? Thursday at 12:13am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Sir how do expect me to answer something I know nothing off. Ok let me reiterate it for you. I don't know!!!!!!!! See I don't directly know her doctrine. Am not taking your word for whey you don't even know your doctrine fully. about an hour ago · Like · 1 person and I answered your question. Over and over and over and over............................ again Thursday at 12:15am · Like
Yani Gonzalez No that wasn't the question their was another question you didn't answer. Thursday at 12:16am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if they mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................................... THIS WAS WHAT "YOU SAID" 4HRS AGO. you said either i'm not a beleiver, which i am or christ was lying. you are still non-responsive. 4hrs and counting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lol that my brotha is called a question that you never answered. Since I've answered all of your question why not answer this one. Thursday at 12:18am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if you do not know then why are you following something without knowing the answer to these questions? the kemmetics would call me a lazy or dumb christian for that one. they would say that i was brainwashed and didnt know my history of my own people Thursday at 12:18am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Because I don't care about blavatsky. What I care for Is Kamet. Thursday at 12:19am · Like
Yani Gonzalez I never engaged in the blavatsky conversation with you. My conversation with you had nothing to do with blavatsky. And you knew this initially. Then you hit a roadblock and try to change the conversation. Thursday at 12:21am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Whether Christ was created at the Nicene council is not an idea that originated with Blavatsky. There were others before her who denied that Christ had an earthly body. Thats obvious, because of the need of a Nicene council, a council of Constantinople, a council of Ephesus and Chalcedon. That thinking did not begin with Blavatsky, so why are you so intent on making that assertion a tenet of Satanism. This is merely your devilish way of trying to label others who do not believe in your lord and savior as evil. Thursday at 12:21am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if they mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................................... THIS WAS WHAT "YOU SAID" 4HRS AGO. you said either i'm not a beleiver, which i am or christ was lying. you are still non-responsive. 4hrs and counting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lol that my brotha is called a question that you never answered. Since I've answered all of your question why not answer this one? Thursday at 12:22am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson there was no road block yani.( i think if you read the acts of the apostles that you will find some miracles performed by them that were not performed by christ. wether one would consider them to be greater is beyond my scope of knowledge) 2...1 hours ago · LikeUnlike you recieved the best answer i could give you ( i think the meaning is it is a greater work to bring some one to christ without the miracles that he performed. the thinking is that, of course the people would believe christ,he was the one performing the ...miracles. we do not therefore it is a greater work. i hope that answer explains it for you.) yani( i dont know if the beleivers outside of the apostle were included in that statement) (as it is in so much of that gospel, the words are small but the meanings are large. its honestly the worst of the 4 to try and study. it has more monosylabi...c words that any of them so you jump in thinking its easy to read so it must be easy to understand. the opposite was true for me. i still need help understanding everything in it. like "he in me and i in you") these are the four answers that i gave you. so you have not recalled the events as they transpired. you are still non-responsive 5hrs and counting 2 hours ago · i clearly gave you four answers, so you are lying when you say that you didnt get an answer concernig your questions. i didnt care about the myths of egypt either. yet i was attacked for not knowing the answers to the questions of the kemetics. now you want to act like it just too much to ask for you to answer these questions? please give me a break. you kemetics go around mentally persecuting chrsitians for their lack of knowledge in what they beleive. now you got a believer pressing you for the same reasons. it aint no fun when da rabbit got da gun,huh? Thursday at 12:24am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if blavatsky was not the first person to come up with that theory, then prove who developed the christ is a myth theory before blavatsky,or your statement was baseless, without merrit and not capable of being confirmed at all. Thursday at 12:28am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea If everyone believed that he had an earthly body before Blavatsky there would be no need to have a council to make his existence a tenet of Christianity Thursday at 12:28am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson prove that was was the purpose of the council Thursday at 12:29am · Like
Yani Gonzalez So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed Or the Christ was lying?................This sir is a direct question to you. Not the apostles. Thursday at 12:29am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea disprove it Thursday at 12:31am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson this was my answer to that yani( i dont know if the beleivers outside of the apostle were included in that statement) and unless you are a bible scholar its for sure that you dont know the answer to that either. Thursday at 12:32am · Like
Yani Gonzalez John 14: 11-12 You must believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe it on the evidence of these works. In all truth I tell you, whoever believes in me will perform the same work as I do my self, and will perform even greater works, because I am goin to the Father. See this too is part of what Christ spoke of. Thursday at 12:32am · Like
Yani Gonzalez And it mean the same with your refrence. Thursday at 12:33am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i dont have to disprove it as i can prove that she was the first person to develope that theory. you have to prove that some one prior to her invented it or it belongs to her. its like the airplane, i can prove who was the first person to fly and unless you can prove different then the invention of the airplane goes to who history say's it does. now unless you can prove that someone other than the satanist came up with that theory then the invention of the christ is a myth theory goes to history say's it does. Thursday at 12:36am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson therefore you are following some of the teachings of a satanist,PERIOD! Thursday at 12:37am · Like
Yani Gonzalez I hope your not talking to me. Because if you are your of the subject. Our conversation is about John not blavasky. Thursday at 12:38am · Like
Yani Gonzalez *Blavatsky Thursday at 12:39am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson if you a kemetic then answer the question!! i already told you that i had exhausted what i could tell you about that passage. Thursday at 12:40am · Like
Yani Gonzalez So with your basic knowledge of your doctrine if your addressing me your refusing to answer my question?.................. Thursday at 12:40am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson these are my "four answers" to your questions Thursday at 12:42am · Like
Yani Gonzalez No. Your just refussing to answere a straight forward simple question. Thursday at 12:43am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Are you a believer or is Christ a liar?............... Thursday at 12:43am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Simple question Thursday at 12:43am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson clearly i gave you four answers to you one question. but i have not gotten one answer to any of my questions. now you can squirm all you want but you are now at 6 hours and you are still non-responsive Thursday at 12:44am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea If he walked the earth and performed the miracles attributed to him, there would be no need for a council. Instead you have a figure being passed of as a God, who history is silent on. No one is sure when he was born nor when he died. He disappears at the age of 12 and reemerges at the age of 30. Its not really my job to prove to you he did not exist. Since Christians have gone around the world destroying the cultures of others and spreading the belief in Jesus life like it is historical fact, I would say the burden of proof is on Christians. A supposed letter to Pilate(that does not even refer to him by proper title) is not enough evidence to convince me that the one and only God of the universe walked around in human flesh and all of history is silent on that fact. I do not have to prove to you that someone prior to Blavatsky invented it. The evidence, for me, is enough. The new testament is not a book of history. Testimony from people who lived decades after his supposed death is not enough evidence to support the idea that God stepped off HIS(smh) throne in heaven and walked the earth, only to go unnoticed by anyone of importance. Thursday at 12:46am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i think the meaning is it is a greater work to bring some one to christ without the miracles that he performed. the thinking is that, of course the people would believe christ,he was the one performing the ...miracles. we do not therefore it is a greater work. i hope that answer explains it for you THAT SURE LOOKS LIKE AN ANSWER TO ME. MAYBE YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYTEM FAILED YOU AND YOU HAVE LOW READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS? BUT I'M SURE ANY OBJECTIVE PERSON WOULD CALL THAT AN ANSWER Thursday at 12:46am · Like
Yani Gonzalez I did answer your question. The answere is posted over and over again. Yet you are the one who never answer me Are you a beliver or is Christ a liar? Thursday at 12:46am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson WHERE IS THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION: BLAVATSKY TAUGHT THE CHRIST IS A MYTH THEORY, HOW IS WHAT KEMETICS TEACH DIFFERENT FROM THAT?????????????????????? Thursday at 12:48am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Virgins don't have babies Thursday at 12:49am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Lmao@ skirm. Why would I skirm about something I told U I can't answer because I don't have the knowledge require to answer that question. You refuse to answer a direct question to your person directly. It's obvious! Thursday at 12:50am
Yani Gonzalez Our conversation wan't at all about Blavatsky. Now your trying to make it so. Because your scare to answer are YOU a believer or is Christ a liar? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 12:52am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson VIRGINS DONT HAVE BABIES? THATS NOT WHAT THIS YOUNG LADY SAID http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/11/2569.abstract OH THATS RIGHT KENYETTA ASKED THAT QUESTION, HE'S NOT TO BRIGHT. DOESNT SEEM TO GET OUT MUCH Thursday at 12:52am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea You should not believe EVERYTHING you can find a link for Thursday at 12:54am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson YANI, YOU AHVE MADE YOURSELF OBVIOUS YOU IGNORE THE FOUR ANSWERS THAT I GAVE YOU AND HAVE NOT ATTEMPTED TO EXPLAIN HOW ALL OF WHAT THE KEMETICS BELIEVE IS EXACTLY WHAT BLAVATSKY TAUGHT. YOU ARE A FRAUD AND NOW YOU ARE DISMISSED. THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THE TRUE COLORS OF KEMET. YELLOW Thursday at 12:55am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea and it was you who said that I couldn't think for myself. Thursday at 12:55am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson YOU CANT THINK FOR YOURSELF KENYETTA. THATS REAL ONPBVIOUS. I SIMPLY POINTED OUT A MEDICAL FACT. NOW JUST HOW IGNORANT DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO GET THAT? I SURE HOPE YOU'RE NOT BREEDING. WE HAVE ENOUGH CHILDREN WITH IGNORANT BLACK MEN AS FATHERS. I HOPE YOU HAVE CONSIDERED A VASECTOMY? Thursday at 12:57am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Am a fraud. LOL no sir. WOW AND LOL NOW WE SEE WHO YOU ARE WITH THE NAME CALLING. Thursday at 12:57am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson THATS A FACT AS YOU CAN NOT SUPPORT THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT BLAVATSKY TAUGHT AND WHAT KEMETIECS TEACH. YET YOU STILL CLAIM KEMETICS IS ACCURATE AND IT IS WHAT YOU FOLLOW. THATS FRAUDULENT BY DEFINITION. Thursday at 12:59am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Your sad. Totally burnt under pressure by resorting to name calling because lil old you can't answer a simple question. And then try to run game on how by giving me the 4 answer to another question. Why are you trying to make it seem man child like if I was out to prove that blavatsky is lesser than Kemet when I have no clue to who she was. We were having a conversation about John 14 Thursday at 1:02am
Yani Gonzalez See a man child is someone who resorts to name calling. I do no such thing. I just state the facts. Thursday at 1:03am
Yani Gonzalez So are you a believer or is Christ a liar? Simple question. Your just to afraid of the answer because you know the answer. Thursday at 1:04am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Not one time have I disrespect you and you continue to do so. Calm your self sir and be rational. That a really ugly look. Thursday at 1:06am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea The honor of Ptolemy the v Epiphanes (Eucharistos), is being used to this very day in the Roman catholic Church and other religious institutions and is called the Epiphany or little Christ or Little Christmas. It is celebrated from December 26 through January 6, which is called the twelfth night. This explains the historical origin of the Epiphany-Walter Williams. It also explains the historical origins of the Eucharist or communion, which you have obviously had to much of.)
e·piph·a·ny [ih-pif-uh-nee] Show IPA –noun, plural -nies. 1. ( initial capital letter ) a Christian festival, observed on January 6, commemorating the manifestation of Christ to the gentiles in the persons of the Magi; Twelfth-day.
Eu·cha·rist [yoo-kuh-rist] –noun 1. the sacrament of Holy Communion; the sacrifice of the mass; the Lord's Supper.
The first Ptolemy(Greek ruler) was called Soter
SOTERIOLOGY(of which Soter is the root)
- theology dealing with salvation especially as effected by Jesus Christ
You worship the Greeks. The philosophers taught that women could not be philosophers and were not even good enough for sex so they slept with little boys. Just like your priest who supposedly practice celibacy and sleep with little boys. The Greek God of love was a little boy named cupid, who bears a striking resemblance to the little baby angels in Christian art. Face it the evidence shows that you are caught up in Greek homosexual mythology. Thursday at 1:12am
Yani Gonzalez And Kemetic teachings are accurate by my standards. Am very satisfied with Kemet. A gain don't learn about Kemet via. Blavitsky. And I never had any beef with with your doctrine. My beef is with ppl who want to implement something they don't even fully fallow them selves. I don't go preaching to people that Kemet is the way. By how I live their drawn to me and question my life style. So I reply. Or when other are criticizing my life style I question theirs. But out side of that if your not harming your self or others what you do with your life is your concern. Thursday at 1:19am Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater For Kenyatta: Council of Nicea: Note: The Council of Niceae in 325 AD had nothing whatsoever to do with 'Jesus Christ' or 'Christianity' for that matter (though it has been marketed and promoted down through history as if it did). 3 things brought the council of Niceae I. into ...being: 1. The Donatist Schismatic Controversy 2. The Donation of Constantine and 3. The strong statement by Arius.
Note: 'Christianity' in any sense of the word as the term 'Christ' was not employed until 431 AD at the Council of Ephesus (106 yrs AFTER ...the Council of Niceae in 325 AD), and 'Christianity', which began 20 years after the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD, officially began in 451 AD at the close of the Council of Chalcedon; therefore there is a 20 year gap between the introduction of the term 'Kristos' ie. 'Christ' and the official ratification of the decrees of the Council of Ephesus at the Council of Chalcedon 20 years later. All of these things came to pass looong after the Council of Niceae in 325 AD. Therefore they must have been discussing 'something' or 'someone' else, and I can most certainly assure you...they were. They definitely were not discussing Christ as the original term 'Kristos' (the Greek Coptic word for 'Messias') from whence comes the term 'Christ', was not first introduced until, 431 AD at the Council of Ephesus 106 years after the Council of Niceae
The Council of Niceia AD 325 is where religious leaders met and disputed the meaning of biblical manuscripts. At this meeting, these men tried to reach a consensus, because they were always disputing over doctrine; like today (Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal etc.) don’t all have exact views the interpretation of scripture; same at Nicea. Constantine brought religious leaders together so they could stop bickering over doctrine.
Constantine himself was not particularly knowledgeable about scripture or spiritual matters, and he did not create Jesus. Ancient manuscripts and the Dead Sea Scrolls existed before this meeting. But these men did create “religious traditions”, that really have nothing to do with Jesus directly. Again, we have man-made traditions vs. a spiritual relationship with Jesus. Constantine did not create Jesus (Yeshua). He had his own problems, including having his own wife and children killed. There is no documented proof that Jesus was created by the Council, he existed before this meeting. Thursday at 1:24am · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu "which of the ancient myths is similar to the life of christ" K.P..J.
In my informed opinion the the 'Osirian Drama' best exemplifies the relevant tenets of the Christ myth. In this African myth which precedes the Christ myth by 5000 years plus. Osiris (Asaru) is put to death, brought back to 'life' and it is the promise of this resurrection to all who believe on him that they too shall be resurrected. In this same drama it is explicitly made clear (in stark depiction) that no disembodied persons may reach the 'Father' (ie. Osiris), except by the agency of his 'Son' Horus, who himself was 'incarnated' at birth (most people confuse the 'immaculate conception' with 'the incarnation', I however am learned well enough to make the distinction) as was Christ in the mythology espousing him.
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Maybe this would help. What are the specifics of those myths that are similar to the life of christ. You can answer one at a time
Shakka Ahmose Manu If the two most important tenets of the Christ myth are his resurrection and the resurrection of those who believe on him...I clearly and explicitly explicated on the exact same parallels in the Osirian Drama...perhaps you need to -re-read what I posited above in response to your first question
Shakka Ahmose Manu Plagiarization which is the accusation being made here is the theft of the construct of a story...plot, direction, outcomes etc and claiming it as your own. Minute details such as irrelevant nouns would not prevent a person being prosecuted for such a crime from being exculpatory.
Kevin Pendleton Johnson We were not discussing how old the pyramid text were, we were talking about the fact that there is no similarity between the myth of osiris and the life of christ. You have failed to prove any specific similarities between the two. Would you like to move to a different topic?
Shakka Ahmose Manu Unless you are prepared to acknowledge the documented evidence thus far presented in this debate....we can end it now. I do not entertain people who live in a fantasy world. If you wish to debate then acknowledge when you've been proven in error, as I would eagerly do so. Making a seemingly authoritative proclamation such as the one you continue to enumerate hopelessly in vain only shows like all typical Christians you are quite adept at living in denial....perhaps you might wish to try 'on' the Nile instead (smile). Respond appropriately or we can end it now. I don't waist my time with freshmen who don't know how to conduct themselves in a debate. I have no interest in your opinion. What can you prove via the historical record...thus far you've proved nothing accept that you do not study as much as you perhaps should.
He was soundly defeated in this debate, and would not acknowledge it by trying to pretend that evidence was not being presented. His tactics have not changed. I think Kevin has a Blavatsky pin up in his room since he obviously has a hard on for her(Yuck) Kevin, I think you should get out more! Thursday at 1:27am · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Tina Your are aware that the Greeks where influenced by Kemitians right? Thursday at 1:28am · Like
Yani Gonzalez The only reason they know how to read and write is do to the influenced of Kemet which Western scholars now bear witness with undisputable facts. Thursday at 1:32am · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Tina Thursday at 1:33am · Like Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater For Kenyetta: Please read Article from Time Magazine. There are physical artifacts surfacing that relate to Jesus existence on earth.http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,384797,00.html Thursday at 1:34am · Like Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater @Yani, good night sister. Thursday at 1:42am · Like
Yani Gonzalez http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/3109806.stm <<<<<<<<<<< The origin of the first alphabet and numbers belong to Kemet. So if it weren't for Kemet the bible wouldn't exist. The origin of paper solely belongs to Kemet. Good night sister. See if you rub some good manners on your friend as well. Thursday at 1:44am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea @ Tina, the council of Nicea was convened by Constantine in order to get dissenters like Arius to accept the image of Serapis, which later evolved into the Christ and then the Jesus of Christianity. So I would say that it had a lot to do with Christianity. The donation of Constantine made Sylvester I the first person of African origin the vicar of Serapis/Christ. Jesus never existed Thursday at 1:47am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea @ Tina, I could not access your link Thursday at 1:53am · Like Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,384797,00.html Thursday at 1:59am Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater Kenyetta, these links are hard to open from fb. Maybe access the article outside of fb. It is not 100% proof of Jesus existence, but it's a start--much better than Blavatsky approach to "Jesus never exist." These words from a woman who worshiped Satan. Be safe sister. Thursday at 2:01am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea In 2007 Matti Myllykoski summarised the current position thus: "The authenticity and significance of the ossuary has been defended by Shanks (2003), while some scholars — relying on convincing evidence, to say the least — strongly suspect that it is a modern forgery." Thursday at 2:06am
Yani Gonzalez Oh lol it is a forgery lol ...........................................http://www.bib-arch.org/press-james-ossuary.asp Thursday at 2:16am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson tina , dont let these guys pull your leg. they know christ is not serapis. when i showed them proof they got quiet and said nothing. first of all serapis was realted to the greek god hades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades here you see him with the 3-headed dog cerebus now look at serapis da same 3-headed dog sitting next to him. second of all the "egyptian historical record say's that the followers of serapis killed st mark for celbrating the ressurection of christ on the feast day of serapis around 68ADFinally he returned to Alexandria, where he found the believers had increased in number, and built a church for them in the place known as Bokalia (the place of cows), east of Alexandria on the sea shore.
St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church in Alexandria, where the saint's head is preserved to this day.It came to pass when he was celebrating the feast of the Resurrection in the year 68 A.D. that the same day coincided with the great pagan celebration for the feast of the god Syrabis. Thus a multitude of pagans assembled, attacked the church at Bokalia, and forced their way in. They seized St. Mark, bound him with a thick rope, and dragged him through the streets crying, "Drag the dragon to the place of cows." They continued dragging him with severe cruelty. His flesh was torn and scattered everywhere, and the ground of the city was covered with his blood. They cast him that night into a dark prison. The angel of the Lord appeared to him and told him: "O Mark, the good servant, rejoice, for your name has been written in the book of life, and you have been counted among the congregation of the saints." The angel disappeared, then the Lord Christ appeared to him and gave him peace. His soul rejoiced and was glad.
The next morning, the pagans took St. Mark from the prison. They tied his neck with a thick rope and did the same as the day before, dragging him over the rocks and stones. Finally, St. Mark delivered up his pure soul into the hands of God and received the crown of martyrdom.
Nevertheless, St. Mark's death did not satisfy the rage of the pagans. They gathered much firewood and prepared an inferno to burn him. But a severe storm blew in, and heavy rains fell. The pagans became frightened and fled in fear.
The believers came and took the holy body, carried it to the church at Bokalia, wrapped it up, prayed over the saint, and placed him in a coffin. They laid the coffin in a secret place in this church.
. in 391AD the temple of serapis was destroyed by the beleivers as revenge for the murder of mark, not only was the temple destroyed but they also scoured the city looking for bust of serapis and destroyed every one of them http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/greece/paganism/serapeum.html Thursday at 2:32am Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater @Kenyetta, Yes this 10 year court case has been debated with compelling evidence in both directions. It is an interesting case to follow. The verdict has not been rendered. It has taken 10 years for them to try this case. The case is interesting to say the least, and one to follow for ppl that don't know Jesus. I suspect other physical evidence will be discovered and debated in the future. This, in my opinion, is better than blindly accepting Blavatsky's version disguised as ancient Egyptian ancestral doctrine. Thursday at 2:34am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson 2nd of all christ never had long hair Jesus Had Short Hair and was Clean Shaven
Imagine Jesus as your prototypical Marine - short hair, clean-shaven. Hard to imagine, yet that seems to be our best evidence. Freke and Gandy (2001) note: “the earliest representations of Jesus actually portray him beardless, with short hair….(p. 56).” We can see this in our survey of the earliest Christian art…
Location Time Portrait
Fresco, Catacomb of Priscilla (Jesus Preaching) Rome, mid 2nd Century Clean shaven, short hair
Fresco, Catacomb of San Callisto, Crypt of Lucina, Fresco (Shepherd) Rome, 2nd century Clean shaven, short hair
Fresco, Catacomb of Priscilla (Last supper; Shepherd) Rome, 3rd Century Clean shaven, short hair
Ivory statuette (Shepherd) Rome, c 300 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Ring seal 3rd Century Clean shaven
Fresco, Mausoleum of the Julii (Sol Invictus) Rome, late 3rd Century Bearded, short hair
Mosaic portrait of Jesus Hinton St Mary 4th Century Clean shaven
Catacomb of Sts Peter & Marcellinus (Shepherd; Multiplication of the loaves) Rome, early 4th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Fresco, Catacomb Via Latina (Raising Lazarus; at Jacob’s Well; Sermon) Rome, 4th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Fresco, Catacomb of Domitilla (12 Apostles) Rome, 4th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Sarcophagus (Jesus with Adam & Eve) Rome, 4th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Santa Costanza (Portrait) Rome, c 350 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Via Latina Catacomb (Raising Lazarus) Rome, c 350-400 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Sarcophagus (Jesus rides a Donkey) Rome, c 359 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Tomb (Resurrection) Rome, c 400 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Fresco, Catacomb of Praetextatus (Shepherd) Rome 350 – 450 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Sarcophagus, Catacomb of Praetextatus (Shepherd) Rome 350 – 450 A.D. Bearded, short hair
Ivory panel (Death of Jesus and Judas) Early 5th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Ivory panel (Healing the Leper) Palermo, 5th Century Clean shaven, long hair
Sarcophagus (Raising Lazarus) Istanbul, 5th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Mausoleum of Galla Placida (Shepherd) Ravena, Italy, c 425 A.D. Clean shaven, short hair
Baptism by John the Baptist Ravenna, Italy, 5th Century Clean shaven, long hair
Bapistry of the Orthodox (Baptism) Ravenna, Italy, c 500 A.D. Bearded, long hair
Ivory diptych, cover of Gospels Italy, 6th Century Bearded, long hair
Mosaic in St Apollinare Nuovo church Ravenna, Italy, 6th Century Clean shaven, short hair
Catacomb of Comodilla Rome, 6th Century Bearded, long hair
St Catherine’s Monastery (Transfiguration) Sinai, c 565 A.D. Bearded, long hair
Front cover of Lindau Gospels Switzerland, c 880 A.D. Clean shaven, long hair
Illustrated poem by Hrabanus Maurus Vienna, 9th Century Clean shaven, short hair
As can be seen, almost all of the early artifacts concerning Jesus picture him as clean-shaven and with short hair. That should come as no surprise to anyone who has looked at coins, busts or statues of the early Roman emperors. Virtually every one of them had short hair and are clean shaven. The first emperor to sport a beard was Hadrian (117-138 A.D.) and even he had relatively short hair. Long hair would not appear for centuries, until the rise of Byzantium. Among Jesus’ contemporaries, there are very few contemporaneous visages, but what we do have supports the findings among the Roman emperors. For example, coins struck with the faces of Herod the Great’s son, King Philip (ruled 4 B.C. to 34 A.D.), Herod’s grandson King Agrippa I (ruled 37 to 44 A.D.), and Herod’s great grandson, Agrippa II (ruled 44 to 100 A.D.) show them all clean-shaven and with short hair. A Roma bust of Flavius Josephus, the Jewish author, shows him clean-shaven with short hair.
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Yani Gonzalez The government’s principal witness was Professor Yuval Goren, a former chair of Tel Aviv University’s archaeology department, who testified that the forger had used a fake covering to conceal evidence of his forgery. But other witnesses suggested other ways this covering could have formed.
More importantly, on cross-examination Goren was forced to admit that after the police had removed this covering, he could see original ancient patina in the critical word “Jesus.” With that, the case blew up.
This should not have been surprising. One of the members of the IAA’s committee that long ago had declared the inscription a forgery, supposedly by a unanimous vote, had also written the IAA that she saw this http://www.bib-arch.org/press-james-ossuary.asp original ancient patina in the engraving of the inscription. Thursday at 2:45am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson they know all of this already. this is the highest level of deception possible. they saw the facts and could not deny. but then when they talk to someone who does not know the facts they go back to their original lie as if they never heard the truth. and they also know that it was the satanist who came up with the theory that christ was serapis,a teaching that they copy word for word. The second century offers little more. Neither Plutarch nor Dion Cassius, the two great historians of this century, refer to him. Suetonius, in his Life of the Twelve Caesars, speaks of the Jews that were banished from Rome during the reign of the Emperor Claudius because of the disturbances they were making at the instigation of one Chrestos. But as Jesus is supposed to have been in Jerusalem at that time, he could not have been the Chrestos to whom Suetonius refers. The Emperor Hadrian, also writing in the second century, does not mention Jesus, but speaks of the Christians, calling them worshippers of Serapis. This is because the Christians of that day, having no image or picture of Jesus to remind them of their Teacher, adopted the image of Serapis, who was always represented with long hair and wearing a garment reaching to his feet. The image of Jesus with which we are familiar at the present day is this same likeness of Serapis. http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.html fraudulent to the core. as of yet not one of them has dared to answer the question,what is the difference between what blavatsky taught about christ and serapis and what the kemetics teach about christ and serapis? over 48hrs since i asked kenyetta these questions and still no answer. like i said, as deceptive as the devil whose teachings they follow. i asked over and over again. still no answer at all. one must conclude s they have had over two days to answer this question and have not provided one then there must not be any difference between the two teachings at all. like i said very deceptive Thursday at 2:51am · Like Tina Hollingsworth-Bridgewater @Yani, the case is still in court. Both sides have reputable witnesses. I am attempting to post another link to ancient chronicles that may be good to read, especially for those who research. The point I am making is there is information out about the existence of Jesus. Thursday at 2:53am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Oh LOL I know is in court. Thursday at 2:54am
Yani Gonzalez I also know that Goren admitted that after the police had removed this covering, he could see original acncient patina in the critical word" Jesus. Thursday at 2:57am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson and heres the picture of serapis. same 3-headed dog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis and if you look back on the page to the original post these guys have known the truth that christ was not serapis for day's. Thursday at 2:57am
Yani Gonzalez When you lie is to cover up the truth. And they clearly lie as stated under oath. Thursday at 2:58am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i also showed them that the council of nicea had nothing to do with serapis The first council of Nicea (Nicaea) [see Map of the Development of Christianity: section e-f/L-M] came to an end on July (or August) 25, 325 A.D. Lasting two months (perhaps having begun on May 20), and held in Nicea, Bithynia, the First Council of Nicea was attended by 318 bishops, according to Athanasius.
Church Councils: There have been 21 councils of the Catholic Church (17 before 1453). A council is an assembly of theologians and church dignitaries called together to discuss the doctrine of the church. When Christianity took hold in the Roman Empire, doctrine wasn't fixed. Problems of interpretation initially presented themselves when trying to explain the divine and humans aspects of Christ without resorting to pagan concepts. Later councils dealt with church hierarchy and behavior.
•Church Councils Opposing Images of God: Trinitarian Church fathers, Bishop Alexander of Alexandria and his deacon Athanasius, believed there were three persons in one god. The Trinitarians were pitted against the Monarchianists, who believed in only one indivisible god. These included Arius, Presbyter in Alexandria, and Eusebius, Bishop of Nicomedia.
Homo Ousion (same substance) vs. Homoi Ousion (like substance): The sticking point at the Nicene Council was a concept found nowhere in the Bible: homoousion. According to the concept of homo-ousion, Christ the Son was consubstantial (the Roman translation for the Greek, meaning 'sharing the same substance') with the Father. Arius and Eusebius disagreed. Arius thought the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were materially separate from each other, and that the Father created the Son.
Arius and his followers, the Arians, believed if the Son were equal to the Father, there would be more than one God. The opposing Trinitarians believed it diminished the importance of the Son to make him subordinate to the Father.
Wavering Decision of Constantine: The Trinitarian bishops prevailed. Emperor Constantine was not himself a Christian (although this is a matter of dispute: Constantine was baptized before he died). Despite this, he had recently made Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Empire. This made heresy akin to revolt, so Constantine exiled the excommunicated Arius to Illyria.
Constantine's friend Eusebius, who eventually withdrew his objection, but still wouldn't sign the statement of faith, and a neighboring bishop, Theognis, were also exiled -- to Gaul. Constantine reversed his opinion about the Arian heresy, and had both exiled bishops reinstated three years later (in 328). At the same time, Arius was recalled from exile.
Constantine's sister and Eusebius worked on the emperor to obtain reinstatement for Arius, and they would have succeeded, if Arius hadn't suddenly died - by poisoning, probably, or, as some prefer to believe, by divine intervention.
Arianism regained momentum and survived until the reigns of Gratian and Theodosius, at which time, St. Ambrose set to work stamping it out.
St. Athanasius - Four Discourses Against the Arians: 'The essences of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, are separate in nature, and estranged, and disconnected, and alien(6), and without participation of each other(7)....' St. Athanasius - Four Discourses Against the Arians
they knew this day's ago as well,yet they pretend as if they never heard it in order to decieve others into following their teachings. no honesty or integrity at all!! just lied to the sister like it was nothing. who can trust such men? Thursday at 3:04am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thats what i meant when i said frauds. and what great frauds they are. they knew the truth but lied anyway. Thursday at 3:06am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Dude your a fraud. lmao You don't even know fully what you claim to defend. ..............Lmao............ Thursday at 3:10am
Yani Gonzalez And your short tempered lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 3:11am
Yani Gonzalez And your a lier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You like calling ppl out their name when they've been nothing but respectful to you. Your not convincing no one. In fact your confirming that your believes are flawed by your actions alone on here. Thank you........... So please keep talking. Thursday at 3:15am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson and as far as osiris being ressurected thats a lie as well David J. MacLeod argues that the resurrection of Osiris differs from Jesus Christ, saying:
Perhaps the only pagan god for whom there is a resurrection is the Egyptian Osiris. Close examination of this story shows that it is very different from Christ's resurrection. Osiris did not rise; he ruled in the abode of the dead. As biblical scholar, Roland de Vaux, wrote, 'What is meant of Osiris being "raised to life?" Simply that, thanks to the ministrations of Isis, he is able to lead a life beyond the tomb which is an almost perfect replica of earthly existence. But he will never again come among the living and will reign only over the dead. This revived god is in reality a "mummy" god.'... No, the mummified Osiris is hardly an inspiration for the resurrected Christ... As Yamauchi observes, 'Ordinary men aspired to identification with Osiris as one who had triumphed over death. But it is a mistake to equate the Egyptian view of the afterlife with the biblical doctrine of resurrection. To achieve immortality the Egyptian had to meet three conditions: First, his body had to be preserved by mummification. Second, nourishment is provided by the actual offering of daily bread and beer. Third, magical spells were interred with him. His body did not rise from the dead; rather elements of his personality - his Ba and Ka - continued to hover over his body.' So it is obvious that these kemetics are liars and frauds, and have yet to explaint to use how it is that the teachings of the kemtics are different from the teachings of the satanist. 50hrs and still no answer? Thursday at 3:15am
Yani Gonzalez Sad................. Smh! So so sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 3:17am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Legal Dictionary
Main Entry: fraud Function: noun Etymology: Latin fraud - fraus 1 a : any act, expression, omission, or concealment calculated to deceive another to his or her disadvantage; specifically : a misrepresentation or concealment with reference to some fact material to a transaction that is made with knowledge of its falsity or in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity and with the intent to deceive another and that is reasonably relied on by the other who is injured thereby b : the affirmative defense of having acted in response to a fraud 2 : the crime or tort of committing fraud fraud > —see also MISREPRESENTATION NOTE: A tort action based on fraud is also referred to as an action of deceit.
- fraud committed with the actual intent to deceive and thereby injure another called also fraud in fact —compare CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD in this entry
- EXTRINSIC FRAUD in this entry
- conduct that is considered fraud under the law despite the absence of an intent to deceive because it has the same consequences as an actual fraud would have and it is against public interests (as because of the violation of a public or private trust or confidence, the breach of a fiduciary duty, or the use of undue influence) called also legal fraud —compare ACTUAL FRAUD in this entry
- CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD in this entry —used esp. in New Jersey
- fraud (as that involved in making a false offer of compromise) that induces one not to present a case in court or deprives one of the opportunity to be heard.
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Kevin Pendleton Johnson i called you what you are by definition. as they say "when you throw a rock at a pack of dogs,only the hit dog hollers" Thursday at 3:20am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Not me!!!!!!!!!!!! I've only have claims to Kemet. Never claimed to know Blavastky. So are you a believer or is Christ a lier?........ Was the question YOU never answered. Thursday at 3:21am
Yani Gonzalez What's was I fraudulent about again?................ And were did I deceive you?............ Thursday at 3:23am
Yani Gonzalez Prove I was fraudulent as you say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 3:25am
Yani Gonzalez lol This keeps getting better and better. Thursday at 3:25am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson first of all your question concernig the texts from john is built on the false premise that your interpretation of the passage is correct. as you are devinitely not a biblical scholar it would be foolish to think that yours is a correct interpretation. therfore why respond to a critical observation from someone who does not really know the subject matter? its like me answering you when you say that light doesnt move in waves,yet you know nothing about the physics of light. i told you before "even a fool is counted as a wise man if he holds his tongue" but you wouldnt listen now you're exposed for what you are. a decietful ,lying fraud and here's the proof. you decieved the sister when you attempted to make her believe the lie that the nicean council was about serapis, that was a outright lie. you knew that that council was about the aryan heresy as i had previously posted that as well. in the same set of post that you got the statement that shakka made saying he won our debate. you decieved the sister when you pretended to be unaware of the convincing eveidence i had previously posted that based on "egyptian historical record" the apostle mark had been killed by the followers of serapis. you knew that the believers destroyed the serapium as revenge for that murder and went about destroying all the bust of serapis that they could find.you knew that there was no connection whatsoever between serapis and christ. but you repaeted that lie to the sister even though that information was shared with you yesterday and when it was, you stood moot in its face. you fraudulently attempted to tell the sister the same lie that you knew had been disproved totally. THATS FRAUD BY DEFINITION! i didnt have to prove you a fraud,you did that all by yourself. thank you very much for your assistance. Thursday at 3:39am · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Eerie I never studied Blavatsky and I study Egyptology. Am an amateur but not by way of Blwvatsky @ Kevin What doesn't make since is that the Most-High would give us a brain that at it's fullest potential can break everything and anything down to follow belief. I mean if the bible was so viable why not give it to the original man?.................. Why have the the children of the Nile master writing, reading and paper making among a lot of other great things to afterwards give a selective few the bible?.............................. That doesn't make any since @ all! The Most High who created all and knows all before men ask had bad timing?........................... The Most High as am reading in your bible is all merciful @ one point and jealous @ another. The God in your bible is consistent with bipolarization. To say that he only cares of only of a few chosen one's is to say he created humans that are flawed. Why create life that's flawed when it's in your power to create it how ever you one?.............................. The oldest skeleton on the planet is over 5,000,000 years old. So lets say the original beings were Adam and Eve. Why did the Most High wait so long to give a selective few the bible?......................... Did the Most High not care about does before Abraham and Solomon?............................. Keep in mind pyramids exist through out the world. Kemetian science didn't limit it's teaching to a few. Even while at war with other civilizations. It welcomed who ever wanted to genuinely and sincerely learn. You say kemetian science is evil. Yet the only ones who isolated them selves where the Hebrews after leaching of the kemetians. What I love about Kemetian science is the brake down of reality and the spiritual realm in depth. The bible isn't as in depth as kemetian scinece by a long shot. Monday at 9:29pm · Unlike · 2 people Am a fraud because lmao he claims I didn't answer his question on Blavastky. Thursday at 3:40am
Yani Gonzalez So if you felt like this from the beginning why even engage in a conversation with me?.............. Thursday at 3:42am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Wow your bugging. I never spoke on the nicean council was about serapis. You have me confuse for someone else. Thursday at 3:45am
Yani Gonzalez And I don't read all your post another lie Thursday at 3:46am
Yani Gonzalez Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!! You need to look at my post. You sir owe me an apology. You deffinitly have me confused for someone else. Thursday at 3:49am
Yani Gonzalez Ohhhhhhhhhhhh are you talking about my defenition of Satan?.........I got that from wiki and hear about it from a youtube vid. Our side of that that's my word I don't know anything else on the subject. Thursday at 3:57am
Yani Gonzalez I don't know who is serapis? Is that Satan?.............. Thursday at 3:58am
Yani Gonzalez And I never read your convincing evidence. So your assuming now. Thursday at 4:00am
Yani Gonzalez I honestly don't have a clue to what your talking about........... You need to post my post as evidence. Thursday at 4:02am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson first of all your question concernig the texts from john is built on the false premise that your interpretation of the passage is correct. as you are devinitely not a biblical scholar it would be foolish to think that yours is a correct interpretation. therfore why respond to a critical observation from someone who does not really know the subject matter? its like me answering you when you say that light doesnt move in waves,yet you know nothing about the physics of light. i told you before "even a fool is counted as a wise man if he holds his tongue" but you wouldnt listen now you're exposed for what you are. a decietful ,lying fraud and here's the proof. you decieved the sister when you attempted to make her believe the lie that the nicean council was about serapis, that was a outright lie. you knew that that council was about the aryan heresy as i had previously posted that as well. in the same set of post that you got the statement that shakka made saying he won our debate. you decieved the sister when you pretended to be unaware of the convincing eveidence i had previously posted that based on "egyptian historical record" the apostle mark had been killed by the followers of serapis. you knew that the believers destroyed the serapium as revenge for that murder and went about destroying all the bust of serapis that they could find.you knew that there was no connection whatsoever between serapis and christ. but you repaeted that lie to the sister even though that information was shared with you yesterday and when it was, you stood moot in its face. you fraudulently attempted to tell the sister the same lie that you knew had been disproved totally. THATS FRAUD BY DEFINITION! i didnt have to prove you a fraud,you did that all by yourself. thank you very much for your assistance. Yeah I looked up the council. You have me confused for someone else!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 4:12am
Yani Gonzalez *Not the council the Serapis. *O* You owe me big! You lucky I don't hold no grudges. You forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've made an honest mistake though. Look through my post brotha. Am not going to speak on something I have no Knowledge of. Thursday at 4:18am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Main Entry: fraud Function: noun Etymology: Latin fraud - fraus ...1 a : any act, expression, omission, or concealment calculated to deceive another to his or her disadvantage; specifically : a misrepresentation or concealment with reference to some fact. WHEN KENYETTA MADE THE COMMENT @ Tina, the council of Nicea was convened by Constantine in order to get dissenters like Arius to accept the image of Serapis, which later evolved into the Christ and then the Jesus of Christianity. So I would say that it had a lot to do with Christianity YOU WERE WITNESS TO IT. AND YET YOU DID NOT INSTRUCT THE SISTER THAT HE WAS WRONG AS IT HAD BEEN POINTED OUT BY ME,THAT SERAPIS WAS THE IMAGE OF "HADES" AND NOT ONLY DID CHRIST HAVE SHORT HAIR,AND THEREFORE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONFUSED WITH SERAPIS, THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF SERAPIS KILLED MARK FOR CELEBRATING THE RESSURECTION OF CHRIST ON THE FEAST DAY OF SERAPIS. YOU ALSO KNEW THAT EVEN AFTER 330yrs THAT THE BELIEVERS STILL HADNT FORGOTTEN ABOUT MARK AND EXACTED THEIR REVENGE ON THE SERAPIANS FOR MARKS MURDER BY NOT ONLY DESTROYING THEIR TEMPLE BUST GOING THROUGH OUT THE CITY DESTROYING ALL THE BUST OF SERAPIS. 1a "FRAUD" :ANY ACT ,....,"OMISSION",OR "CONCEALMENT" CALCULATED TO DECIEVE ANOTHER TO HIS OR HER ADVANTAGE;SPECIFICALLY : A MISREPRESENTATION OR CONCEALMENT WITH REFERENCE TO SOME FACT. OUR PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE SUFFERING BEYOND WHAT YOU KNOW. THEREFORE WE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE CANT AFFORD TO MAKE A MISTAKE ABOUT ANYTHING,OUR MARGIN FOR ERROR IS TO LOW TO SURVIVE A MISTAKE. SO IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT ANYONE BLACK PERSON THAT KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT ANYTHING AND DOES NOT SHARE IT WITH US ALL,HAS BETRAYED THE TRUST OF US ALL. AS FAR AS YOU NOT SPEAKING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT IS A LIE. WHEN YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE PASSAGES IN JOHN, I TOLD YOU i have been studying the bible for over 25yrs. always in the five yr format, i am humbled to say that there is so much in there that i still dont completely understand. i dont feel bad about it because my teacher, who has a phd in theology and taught hebrew and greek at a university, has taught it for 50yrs and shares the same sentiment. if it was easy to understand it wouldnt be the word of god. we'll proceed tomorrow.Yesterday at 1:15am I ALSO TOLD YOU know some apologetics,history,hebrew culture and prophecy to a limited degree. commentary is way above my pay grade so i would be useless to you in the pursuit of understanding complex theology. sorry i cant help you. 20 hours ago · Thursday at 11:23am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson SO THEN IF AFTER MY STUDYING THE BIBLE FOR 25yrs UNDER THE INSTRUCTION OF A MAN WHO HAD TAUGHT IT ON A UNIVERSITY LEVEL FOR 50yrs AND WE BOTH SAY THAT WE THINK ITS ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT BOOKS TO UNDERSTAND AND REALLY "KNOW" THEN YOU SAID "Oh lol I don't need assistance with these here. It's self explanatory. I've looked up the word on by one as well to see if the mean something else. And is as is. Exactly what it means. So either your not a believer because you don't practice what Jesus expressed. Or the Christ was lying........... Is either on or the other. No in between." 20 hours ago YOU'RE NO BIBLE SCHOLAR HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF THAT TEXT AND MEN WHO HAVE BEEN STUDYING IT FOR YEARS STIIL STRUGGLE TO GET ALL OF ITS MEANING OUT OF IT? THAT PROVES THAT YOU TRIED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU "REALLY DIDNT KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT". WHICH MAKES YOU A LIAR WHEN YOU SAID Look through my post brotha. Am not going to speak on something I have no Knowledge of. 7 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 1 person
Yani Gonzalez likes this. YOU ARE DISHONEST TO THE CORE. FIRST YOU COMMIT AN ACT OF FRAUD BY WITH HOLDING EVIDENCE, OMITTING THE FACTS AND CONCEALING A MATTER FROM THE SISTER TO ALLOW HER POSITION TO BE MADE WEAKER AND THE POSITION OF KENYETTA AND THEREBY,YOUR POSITION TO BE MADE STRONGER. YOU ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED. Thursday at 11:36am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson IN SUMMATION: YOU HAVE OPENLY COMMITTED THE ACT OF FRAUD BY OMMITTING THE FACTS,CONCEALING WHAT YOU KNEW. YOU HAVE LIED WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE AND I QOUTE " not going to speak on something I have no Knowledge of." THEREFORE THERE SHALL BE NO APOLOGY COMING FORTH FROM ME TO YOU FOR CALLING YOU OUT OF YOUR NAME. YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE TRANSGRESSIONS LISTED AND DESERVE NO APOLOGY. I AM NOT COMPELLED OT APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING YOU "A FRAUD AND A LIAR" AS I WOULD NOT APOLOGIZE TO A SKUNK FOR CALLING HIM A SKUNK,EITHER. Thursday at 11:43am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i looked through your post "brotha" i didnt make a mistake, you did. I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO TELL ME HOW THE TEACHINGS OF KEMETICS ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE TEACHINGS OF BLAVATSKY. HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO REDEEM YOURSELF IN THE EYE'S OF THESE GOOD PEOPLE. WHAT SAY YOU? CAN YOU TELL US THE DIFFERENCE OR NOT? Thursday at 11:47am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Wait your talking about a conversation I had with Tina? Thursday at 11:53am
Kevin Pendleton Johnson its a simple procedure, one in which i followed. fortunately for you, you dont have to look under all of the rocks that i did in order to find it. i have provided it for you. you simply read through it, as i did, and compare it to what you know and what you have heard other kemetics say about these subjects,as i did. then you come to a conclusion,as i did. and you share it with us, as i did. now according to your teacings, i am an absolute moron because i dont foolw the study of kemetics and thus my mind has not been enlightened enough to see truth. so, you having had your eye's opened should see much quicker than i, if there is a difference between what you know about kemetics and the teachings of this satanist blavatsky. nor, should it be hard for you to express to us what those difference are. do you want a fresh clock? lets have an answer by midnight, or we must conclude that not only did you not know what you were talking about when it came to the bible, that you dont know what your talking about when it comes to kemetics either. I AWAIT YOUR ANSWER. Thursday at 11:57am · Like
Yani Gonzalez Why would I instruct anyone about the Serapis or Blavatsky when I don't know anything about it. You are assuming I do. I've never stated I did under any circumstance! All I've summited was a wikki on Satan and a verse on John 14: So you have not proven me as a fraud or a liar. See if I claimed I knew anything on the subject and didn't show any evidence that would make me a fraud. But I've done no such thing. And Now I see this is just your diversion on trying to have me not fucus on the fact that based on John 14 your an importer. See BASED ON JOHN 14 THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU WAS ARE YOU A BELIEVER OR IS CHRIST A LIER WA S NEVER ANSWER?.................... NEVER ANSWERED. You keep giving me response to other questions. Ur unstable! Don't you know that when you assume you only make an mule out of your self by now. No one cares for your assumptions. I asked for clear facts. Your casting a serious judgement on me with your assumptions just like they did to your savior. And now your calling me a lier to the core as if you know me............. Thursday at 12:38pm
Yani Gonzalez So.............. Smh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you need to lay of the Jesus juice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 12:39pm
Yani Gonzalez No proof what's so ever just your assumption to because you ego drove face first into a wall. LMAO........................ BRA HA HA HA............ IMPOSTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLAIMS TO FOLLOW THE CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leviticus 19:18 You will not exact vengeance on, or bear any sort of grudge against, the members of your race. You speak negatively against Kemetians which I am one and generalize how we all speak trash. Yet your the only one lying on your assumption of me with real proof. Everything you claim WE KEMITIANS DO you've been doing towards me. So sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See you don't practice what you preach. Am more a Christian lol than you'll ever be. Smh..........lol . John 14: 11-12 You must believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe it on the evidence of these works. In all truth I tell you, whoever believes in me will perform the same work as I do my self, and will perform even greater works, because I am goin to the Father. Are you a believer or is Christ a lier?.............................................. Thursday at 12:55pm
Yani Gonzalez You don't want to answer my question because according to you am not a scholar. But your not Kemitian. And your speak of our laws as if you follow them. So who's the fraud?.................... Your just keep putting your lol fut in your mouth lol..................... You've turned this debate into a soap opra......................................... Thursday at 12:58pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson A) when you said that either i was "not a believer or christ was a liar", you did that without knowing the book of john or the text in question, you therefore lied as you clearly were making a judgement about something that if scholars are barely able to understand, you most certainly do not enough to make that determination. therefore you lied when you said "Look through my post brotha. Am not going to speak on something I have no Knowledge of. that was 8 hours ago " B) when you sat by and let kenyetta tell the sister that lie about the council of nicea, involving serapis something that you knew to be a lie, you commited fraud by ommision and concealment. you can not say that you were unaware as i made this comment "blavatsky taught that christ was serapis http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.html the same teaching as kemetics blavatsky taught that the catholic curch invented christ http://www.ancientwisdomcentral.us/bornt...odie.htm the same as kemetics". I made that post Tuesday at 10:44pm if you went back over the debate that i had with shakka over a week ago, you had to know that serpis was one of the myths that i exposed in that debate. so you knowingly sat silent and concealed what you knew. that's fraud by any definition. you cant get out from under this, your own words and actions condem you. you cant ridicule your way out of this one. you have until midnight to answer the question "what is differnet from what kemetics teach and what satanist teach?" or we will conclude that you do not know the difference between kemetics and satanism. Thursday at 1:08pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Still assuming Smh!!!!!!!!!!! I clearly told you I wasn't versed on John as you told me. I told am more than patient we can lean together remember. And as I did my research on John 14 I found that it mean exactly what is reads. You could have done your research on it as well and proved me wrong at any time............ Thursday at 1:12pm
Yani Gonzalez I never told her that you lied about the council. That's another or your assumptions. Show were I told her lol this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 Thursday at 1:13pm
Yani Gonzalez I've been up front with you on everything I know and don't know. When I asked you. I was expecting for you to elaborate on John as you have with everything else....................... Then I TOLD YOU AM NOT VERSED ON JOHN LETS LEARN TOGETHER. (WHY DO I FEEL LIKE AM TALKING TO A FIRST GRADER LOL).................. Thursday at 1:16pm
Yani Gonzalez Where do you see me stating I knew about John out side of John 14?........... I've read scholarly reviews on John 14 and nothing outside of that. Again I told you UPFRONT AM NOT VERSED ON JOHN BUT AM MORE THAN PATIENT TO LEARN WITH YOU. The only thing I knew of was John 14 by way of scholarly reviews...... Didn't lie once......... Your taking everything am saying out or context just to proof your falsehood............ Smh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 1:30pm
Yani Gonzalez Your not Kemetian or versed in our studies why are you here trying to prove something you don't practice and have full knowledge off?............. Since you said your not going to answer my question base on the fact that am not versed on the full text of John. Thursday at 1:34pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson first of all your question concernig the texts from john is built on the false premise that your interpretation of the passage is correct. as you are devinitely not a biblical scholar it would be foolish to think that nor can you prove that your interpretation of that text is a correct interpretation. you site no authoity who agree's with that interpretation nor do we have the opportunity to exam such a critique. therefore "without a scholar who agree's with you, your conclusion is baseless and is from the realm of speculation". remember, you were told that "this was a scholarly discussion that would be void of opinions and consist of facts that could be examined". therfore why would i respond to a critical observation from someone who does not really know the subject matter? and is not supported by any known biblical scholar. i never said that you " told her that you lied about the council" i said "YOU HAVE OPENLY COMMITTED THE ACT OF FRAUD BY OMMITTING THE FACTS,CONCEALING WHAT YOU KNEW" i had no obligation to do your research for you because it was you who was making the claim that either i was "not a believer or christ was a liar" ,interestingly enough i gave the exact same answer given by John Wesley June 1703 – 2 March 1791) who was a Church of England cleric and Christian theologian. Wesley is largely credited, along with his brother Charles Wesley, as founding the Methodist movement which began when he took to open-air preaching in a similar manner to George Whitefield. In contrast to George Whitefield's Calvinism, Wesley embraced the Arminian doctrines that were dominant in the 18th-century Church of England. Methodism in both forms was a highly successful evangelical movement in the United Kingdom, which encouraged people to experience Jesus Christ personally.
Wesley's writing and preachings provided the seeds for both the modern Methodist movement and the Holiness movement, which encompass numerous denominations across the world. In addition, he refined Arminianism with a strong evangelical emphasis on the Reformed doctrine of justification by faith. Wesley helped to organize and form societies of Christians throughout England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland as small groups that developed intensive, personal accountability, discipleship and religious instruction among members. His great contribution was to appoint itinerant, unordained preachers who travelled widely to evangelise and care for people in the societies. Young men who acted as their assistants were called "exhorters" who functioned in a similar fashion to the twelve apostles after the ascension of Jesus.
Under Wesley's direction, Methodists became leaders in many social issues of the day, including the prison reform and abolitionism movements. Wesley's contribution as a theologian was to propose a system of opposing theological stances. His greatest theological achievement was his promotion of what he termed "Christian Perfection", or holiness of heart and life. Wesley held that, in this life, Christians could come to a state in which the love of God, or perfect love, reigned supreme in their hearts. His evangelical theology, especially his understanding of Christian perfection, was firmly grounded in his sacramental theology. He continually insisted on the general use of the means of grace (prayer, scripture, meditation, Holy Communion, etc.) as the means by which God sanctifies and transforms the believer.
John Wesley was among the first to preach for slaves rights, attracting significant opposition.
John Wesley’s Explanatory Notes | John 14 |  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Greater works than these shall he do — So one apostle wrought miracles merely by his shadow, Acts 5:15; another by handkerchiefs carried from his body, Acts 19:12; and all spake with various tongues. But the converting one sinner is a greater work than all these. my answer to your question was " i think the meaning is it is a greater work to bring some one to christ without the miracles that he performed. the thinking is that, of course the people would believe christ,he was the one performing the ...miracles. we do not therefore it is a greater work." and i also told you " i think if you read the acts of the apostles that you will find some miracles performed by them that were not performed by christ." Thursday at 1:43pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Actually don't answer.......... Am not going continue you delusional Immature drama of me trying to divert from what's we're really suppose to be focusing on. You need to learn that you assumptions don't belong in an intellectual debate. Thursday at 1:44pm
Yani Gonzalez Just keep in mind your no scholar either........... And your not versed on anything you claimed............. Thursday at 1:46pm
Yani Gonzalez "you site no authoity who agree's with that interpretation nor do we have the opportunity to exam such a critique." IN MY HUEY VOICE YOUR FULL OF IT................. We could have been utilizing this time to critique but you choose to focus on calling me out my name since yesterday.................... Please Keep putting your FOOT lmao in your mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your not here to learn your here to show your ego...................... Thursday at 1:50pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson now unless you are prepared to bring in the words of a greater scholar than wesley, my answers stands as sufficient to one of the worlds greastest theologians. now you could of course say that wesley didnt know what he was talking about, but then we would have to compare educational careers and i dont think you want to compare your GED to his degree's in theology. you have until midnight to give an account of yourself. tell us how is what kemetics teach different from what satanist teach. it might be helpful to you that you actually read the information that i have provided because as long as your on this page trying to save face, you will obviously not be trying to prepare an answer to my question which show's that you are intentionally avoiding giving me an answer. the conclusion that has to be reached by your silence is that you do not know the difference between the teachings of the kemtics and satanism. you should really get to studying. Thursday at 1:52pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i guess all of those years of study werent wasted. i gave you the exact same answers of one of history's greatest theologians. see you at midnight. Thursday at 1:58pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez No............. All you gave me was immaturity. Your delusional negativity. Playing games trying to divert from what we where initially talking about. You've showed your age lol.................. Your not here again to learn your here to show your ego........... And bad mouth ppl when you run into a wall............. Nothing scholarly about you at all. All you do is rant over and over again based on your "assumptions" . You made a joke out of you debate with your emotional negativity........... Thursday at 2:08pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson we were initially talking about john 14:11-12. i gave you an answer that appears to be satifactory to those who know a lot more than both of us. for example Barnes' Notes on the Bible say's Greater works than these shall he do - Interpreters have been at a loss in what way to understand this. The most probable meaning of the passage is the following: The word "greater" cannot refer to the miracles themselves, for the works of the apostles did not exceed those of Jesus in power. No higher exertion of power was put forth, or could be, than raising the dead. But, though not greater in themselves considered, yet they were greater in their effects. They made a deeper impression on mankind. They were attended with more extensive results. They were the means of the conversion of more sinners. The works of Jesus were confined to Judea. They were seen by few. The works of the apostles were witnessed by many nations, and the effect of their miracles and preaching was that thousands from among the Jews and Gentiles were converted to the Christian faith. The word "greater" here is used, therefore, not to denote the absolute exertion of power, but the effect which the miracles would have on mankind. The word "works" here probably denotes not merely miracles, but all things that the apostles did that made an impression on mankind, including their travels, their labors, their doctrine, etc are you claiming that your interpretation is superior? Thursday at 2:19pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Shakka am sorry I took place in Kevin's drama.......... And I'll be more than understanding if you delete my comments on this thread......... I was suppose to stop once he called me out my name based on his assumptions with out motive............. Thank for sharing this debate with us.......... HOTEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 2:21pm
Yani Gonzalez Keving my brotha peace be upon you............ Thursday at 2:21pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson here is another commentary that agreed completely with my interpretation 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
And greater works than these - The miracles which I have wrought could not have been wrought but by the omnipotence of God; but that omnipotence can work greater. And those who believe on my name shall, through my almighty power, be enabled to work greater miracles than those which l have ordinarily wrought. An impostor might seduce the people by false miracles; but he could not make his power and cunning pass to all those who were seduced by him: but I will give you this proof of the divinity of my mission and the truth of my doctrine.
Perhaps the greater works refer to the immense multitudes that were brought to God by the ministry of the apostles. By the apostles was the doctrine of Christ spread far and wide; while Christ confined his ministry chiefly to the precincts of Judea. It is certainly the greatest miracle of Divine grace to convert the obstinate, wicked heart of man from sin to holiness. This was done in numberless cases by the disciples, who were endued with power from on high, while proclaiming remission of sins through faith in his blood.
Some account for the greater works thus:
1. The very shadow of Peter healed the diseased, Acts 5:15.
2. Diseases were cured, and demons cast out, by applying to the persons handkerchiefs and aprons that had before touched the body of Paul, Acts 19:12.
3. By the word of Peter, Ananias and Sapphira were struck dead, Acts 5:5, Acts 5:9, Acts 5:10.
4. Elymas the sorcerer was struck blind by the word of Paul, Acts 13:11.
5. Christ only preached in Judea, and in the language only of that country; but the apostles preached through the most of the then known world, and in all the languages of all countries. But let it be remarked that all this was done by the power of Christ; and I think it still more natural to attribute the greater works to the greater number of conversions made under the apostle's ministry Thursday at 2:23pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson sir, you were not called out of your name. you were charged with fraud and lying and were convicted by your own words "Look through my post brotha. Am not going to speak on something I have no Knowledge of". 10 hours ago. also you ommitted to tell the sister that you knew that serapis was not christ as you had been given concrete evidence to that affect by myself shortly before kenyetta made his comment and said nothing,which is also concealment. dont try and use any excuses like your feelings are hurt or that your honor has been unrighteoussly besmirched, to allow yourself to avoid having to identify for us the differences between what kemetics teach and what the satanist teach. Thursday at 2:34pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson we anxiosly await your answer. Thursday at 2:35pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Again brotha peace be upon you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 2:36pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson is this a refusal to answer? if so then you have proven by your silence, that you do not know what the difference is between what the kemetics teach and what satanist teach. Thursday at 2:38pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson thank you for enlightening us all. Thursday at 2:40pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez I agree I don't know what the difference is I never claimed to Know satanist. As I only practice Kemetic science. Thursday at 2:41pm
Yani Gonzalez Finally lol something we both can agree on. Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol Thursday at 2:42pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you have been given the information on blavatsky's teachings needed to do a comparitive analysis between what kemetics teach and what the satanist blavatsky taught and report back your findings, just as i did. it was not hard for me to notice the similarities. surely as you have been enlightened far above we that have been brainwashed by the bible,with our slave mentalities, yours should be the greater in the area of understanding and discernment and the striking difference between the two teachings, should jump off the page at you. we await your scholarly opinion which you shall in no doubt render unto us after examining the information, out of your divine wisdom. we await your answer. Thursday at 2:50pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson is this a refusal to answer? if so then you have proven by your silence, that you do not know what the difference is between what the kemetics teach and what satanist teach. 8 minutes ago · Unlike · 1 person Not only do I not know the difference I don't know satanist nor worship it.......... Bless be the Most High!!!!!!! There's no need for me to examine any of your links brotha. Our drama is done. See I've never waver from what I know is true. And I don't need to prove to you that Kemet is!!!!!!! Do you!!!!!!!!!!!! All I need is Kemet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U have thought me that I have no business engaging in negative debates that lead to nowhere as well. Believers who gossip about other ppls lives will be ignored............ I will never debate with a Christian ever again!!!!!!!!! LOL.......I'll continue to lead and draw those outside of Kemet by my actions......... May the Most High blessing shower you and yours!!!!!!!!! Peace be upon you. Sincerely have a blessed blessed day......... Thursday at 4:25pm
Yani Gonzalez Kemet is not a religion. Kemet is the science of life! Everything with Kemet is based on facts that can be proven not belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why I can't relate to religious RADICALS ppl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 4:48pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson The faith of christ is not a religion either. I have no problem pointing out to believers, errors in their teachings when we compare that to what the bible say's. What makes me a radical? Is it because i'm not your typical believer who you can leave stunned and quiet after you've told them that they dont know about their faith? So now it is you who is stunned and you're hoping that you're allowed to go away in silence? Not this time partner. For too long the kemtics have weakened and even brokent he faith of many who followed christ. Now its time to examine your stuuf too. Aw!! It aint no fun when you hunting and the suddenly the rabbits got the gun,is it? You as a kemetic,should have no problem with the same scenario of correcting error as i do,because you are "enlightened with the wisdom of you forefathers". you have been given the information on blavatsky's teachings needed to do a comparitive analysis between what kemetics teach and what the satanist blavatsky taught and report back your findings, just as i did. it was not hard for me to notice the similarities. surely as you have been enlightened far above we that have been brainwashed by the bible,with our slave mentalities, your skills should be the greater in the area of understanding and discernment and the striking difference between the two teachings, should jump off the page at you. we await your scholarly opinion which you shall in no doubt render unto us after examining the information,and dissecting it out of your divine wisdom. we await your answer Thursday at 5:05pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson dont feel bad i'm not popular with a lot of people. but, i guess nobody hugs their alarm clock. <Kevin pendleton johnson> Thursday at 5:07pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea A person unfamiliar with the terms satanist and Christian would probably choose to be a satanist over a Christian(Unless they are evil) based on the destructively evil history of Christians. At the end of the day, they are just words, Its the actions that count. Just saying! Kevin I have to admit you are a good Christian. Thursday at 5:19pm
Yani Gonzalez Why you keep awaiting something am clearly not going to give you. Smh!!!!!!!! lol That's silly. And I don't feel bad. Boy you are full of assumptions!!!!!!!!!!! Ur clearly mentally unstable. Thursday at 5:28pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson I am not a christian. that is a derogatory term and i resent it. That term was only used twice in the book and both times it carried a negative conatation. The term 'Christian' was used to describe a follwer of Christ in terms of the world, from the world’s point of view. The pagans at Antioch called the apostles "Christians" first (Acts 11:26; 26:28) and used it derogatorily because the apostles didn’t follow the commercial world of the pagans. "Christian" is an adjective, not a noun. The substance is not in the word "Christian", the substance is in the heart of the man it is attempting to describe, and which the pagan user cannot see. Christ never called himself a Christian, Christ never called his followers Christians. The apostles never called each other Christians. Christ never used an adjective to describe himself. So how are we to identify ourselves then? The disciples called each other, "brethren", "disciples", "apostles", "servants", "believers", "followers", "the faithful", "the elect", "the called", and "saints." We can also identify ourselves as "bondservants" of Christ. The servants of Christ belong to the kingdom of God. If you do not belong to a certain kingdom, you are labeled or named by that kingdom to be of another kingdom. For example, people in the continent (kingdom) of North America call those from the continent (kingdom) of South America, South Americans; from Asia, Asians; from Africa, Africans; from Europe, Europeans. But South Americans don’t call themselves South Americans, Asians don’t call themselves Asians. Africans don’t call themselves Africans, and Europeans don’t call themselves Europeans. Do North Americans call themselves North Americans? When you introduce yourself to somebody, do you say, "Hi! I’m a North American!" No, you don’t, because those from the same kingdom no not place labels on themselves or others. If you are a constituent of a Kingdom, you do not name one in the same Kingdom any thing; but you call them according to the relation between the two of you (brother, sister, mother, father, workman, labourer, minister, bishop, deacon, etc). Now back to the subject at hand". you have been given the information on blavatsky's teachings needed to do a comparitive analysis between what kemetics teach and what the satanist blavatsky taught and report back your findings, just as i did. it was not hard for me to notice the similarities. we await your scholarly opinion which you shall in no doubt render unto us after examining the information, out of your divine wisdom. we await your answer. you have 6hrs and 32mins left Thursday at 5:29pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea you have 6hrs and 32mins left, lol. See even you run from the title. How can you separate yourself from Christianity? Tell me how what you teach is different? I do not call myself a Satanist but you continue to try and pin it on me. To much blood! LOL Thursday at 5:36pm
Yani Gonzalez LOL!!!!!!!! Thursday at 5:41pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Your comment "Why you keep awaiting something am clearly not going to give you", tells us all that not only are you qualified to comment on the bible, you are "ignorant to the differences betweem the teaching s of the kemtics and that of the satanist. You have all the information that you need to make that judgement. You had much less when making a judgement on the bible. So then it is not for lack of information or the inability to read but the fact that there are no difference between the two that causes you to refuse to answer the question. I called you a kemetic and said that you follow the same teachings as a kemetic that were first proposed by a satanist. I am seperate from christians because i do not follow the doctrines that they have added to the faith of christ. Since you do call yourself a kemetic you should have no problem whatsoever telling the difference between what kemtics teach and what the satanist teach, the same principles are in effect. 6hrs and 18mins left. you should study, you have a quiz at midnight. Thursday at 5:42pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez If BELIEVING that makes you happy the a well!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care to relate to you. I don't do BELIEF!!!!!!!!!!! Ur unstable. Thursday at 5:47pm
Yani Gonzalez I thought your debate was about Blaskvasky why are you still drawn to me.............. Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!! Focus man focus!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 5:49pm
Kenyetta Bethea John Wesley led several women to believe he was courting them. At Oxford he flirted extravagantly with young Sally Kirkham, then later with the worldly widow Mrs. Pendarves. In America he was enamored with Sophy Hopkey. Later he was infatuated with Grace Murray. In each case he dallied and stalled and deliberated until the woman finally gave up on him in exasperation. Still, he might have married Grace Murray if his brother Charles had not interfered. But Charles was furious over John's hypocrisy. The whole Grace Murray episode and John Wesley's hypocrisy began at a Methodist conference in 1748. Neither Wesley brother was young - John was 46, Charles was 41. Neither by then had much time for women. Both were inclined never to marry. But at that conference other ministers spoke boldly.
"If the Wesleys were to wed at last, it would certainly put to rest the endless longing of many of the sisters," concluded one minister bluntly.
Kevin Pendleton Johnson "now unless you are prepared to bring in the words of a greater scholar than wesley, my answers stands as sufficient to one of the worlds greastest theologians"
John Wesley could not have been a Christian theologian because he was to popular with the ladies, and Christianity is a homosexual mythological cult. Thursday at 5:50pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson If you can read,then you can see the differences. I dont see what the problem could be? Kemetcis ask the same of beleivers all the time. Is this another one of your double standards? Is the great teachings of kemet so unclear that you dont understand them while you attack believers for not understanding the origins of our faith? If so, that makes you a hypocryte as well Thursday at 5:51pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez I see your the problem........... I don't care for you views........ Your unpopilor you should be use to it by know!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 5:52pm
Yani Gonzalez Now* Thursday at 5:52pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson You beleive that christ never existed. That's a belief that you have, so now your lying as well? 6hrs and 6mins left Thursday at 5:53pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea The double standard is that You try and label "kemetics" as satanist, when we do not preach Satan. You preach Christ but run from the title Christian. Which denomination are you? Thursday at 5:54pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson stop sweating me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lmoa!!!!!!!!! Focus on your agenda. I can't won't relate to you!!!!!!!! Is that clear............ Thursday at 5:56pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson No one cares for the veiws of those who expose them as ignorant of what they believe. You should know this as you do it to believers all the time. I said that you were a kemetic and that the teachings of the kemetics are the same as the teachings of blavatsky the satanist Christ did not teach denominations. I am focused on my agenda. My agenda is to point out the many similarities between the teachings of the kemetics and the teachings of the satanist. Trust me,i am very focused. Thursday at 5:59pm · Like
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Yani Gonzalez Don't hold your breath!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:01pm
Kenyetta Bethea Nah, do hold your breath! Thursday at 6:02pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Wow Bra ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:02pm
Kenyetta Bethea Heaven awaits you, Have faith! Thursday at 6:03pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Ohhhhhhhhh Kenyetta you got my ribs hurting LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:03pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson What is clear, is that if you dont tell us what the differences are between what the kemetics teach and what the satanist teach, that you have criticized the faith of many believers as you claimed that they were ignorant and brainwashed while you yourself are ignorant and brainwashed and therefore, guilty of the exact same thing. Which is the ultimate form of hypocracy. 5hrs 55mins left Thursday at 6:04pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Lmao!!!!!!!! Thank you Kemet for washing my brain of all beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Kemet for only giving me the facts on our subjective and objective reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bless be the Most High!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:09pm
Yani Gonzalez Kevin the lmao man that waits for answers that don't exist!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:10pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Certainly if kenyetta can mock the teachings of the bible then he most certainly should be able to tell us the differences between what the kemetics teach and what the satanist teach. Unless he practices the same hypocracy of being ignorant of what it is that he believes at the same time ridiculing believers for what they believe. Certainly between to two of you, you should be able to figure out the differences. 5hrs 50mins left Thursday at 6:11pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Kevin what time is by the way?.............. Am sure you have lmao time!!!!!!!!!! Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:11pm
Kenyetta Bethea You are the one who shows your ignorance by continuing to deny that we have presented what you have asked for on many occasions. If you are sure that what "Kemetics" teach is exactly the same as what Blavatsky taught, then you go through the exhaustive work of detailing every tenet, and prove to me that it is exactly the same. you are making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Sadly it seems as though the only proof you are concerned with is 80 proof. Your entire premise is stupid, and childish. I for one do not wish to play your childish game. Bottoms up! I realize for a Christian that has double meaning Thursday at 6:12pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez @ Kevin.......... Smh............. Your doing a fine job all on your own!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:13pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson 5hrs and 45mins left Thursday at 6:14pm
Yani Gonzalez You Know am not giving you an answer but in your make believe world am suppose to give u something I told you am not going to give you. Be real. Your insane!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:15pm
Kenyetta Bethea LMAO Thursday at 6:15pm
Kenyetta Bethea Even if you gave him an answer, It will not register in his brain! So why try Thursday at 6:16pm
Kenyetta Bethea 5 hrs and 42 mins left Thursday at 6:17pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Kenyetta you said "You are the one who shows your ignorance by continuing to deny that we have presented what you have asked for on many occasions" show us where those answers were given during this debate Thursday at 6:18pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Stop turning that water into Jesus juice!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:18pm
Kenyetta Bethea I must be a prophet. i can tell what you will say before you say it Thursday at 6:18pm
Yani Gonzalez LMAO!!!!!! Thursday at 6:19pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Yeah I remember grinding my feet in Eddie couch.
Kevin Pendleton Johnson aka Rick James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUb06iLjTKA Thursday at 6:22pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Let me help you. Blavatsky taught that christ was a myth in her book "Isis Unveiled" in that theory she said that based on the version of the osirian myth that she used that osiris was a type of christ for whom the myth christ was based upon. She also said that christ worship came from the mistaken worship of serapis and that christ was created at the nicean council. Please explain how this is different from what the kemtics teach Thursday at 6:23pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez AHHHHHHHHHHHHH LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my favorite episodes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!! Cocaine is a hell of a drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:25pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson question: do you teach that christ is a myth? do you use the same version of the osirian myth as blavatsky? do you teach that worship of christ came from the mistaken worship of serapis? do you teach that christ was invented at the nicean council? Thursday at 6:26pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Kevin will be ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:26pm
Yani Gonzalez Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ur use to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:27pm
Yani Gonzalez Watch him come up with something else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Thursday at 6:29pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez That Jesus Juice is a hell of a drug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:29pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:29pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson do you teach that christ is a myth? do you use the same version of the osirian myth as blavatsky? do you teach that worship of christ came from the mistaken worship of serapis? do you teach that christ was invented at the nicean council? OUR HOST DIDNT IGNORE ME. HE FELT I HAD A LOT OF RELEVANT THINGS TO SAY,THATS WHY HE ALLOWED ME TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DISCUSSION ON HIS PAGE. i'll make it easy on you. just answer those four questions by midnight. 5hrs 30mins left Thursday at 6:30pm · Like
Yani Gonzalez Kevin I am your Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:31pm
Yani Gonzalez Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:32pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson those are the same things that blavatsky taught. tell us how the teachings of kemetics on these matters are different than the teachings of blavasky on the same matters. that should be a walk in the park, unless you dont know or cant tell the differences between the two. Thursday at 6:34pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Queen, You are far greater than Jesus. Do not belittle yourself like that. You are greater than the father, the son, and the holy ghost. Thursday at 6:36pm
Yani Gonzalez Oh I know my dear brother Kenyetta!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not longer a serious conversation for me. He's a joke!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:38pm
Kenyetta Bethea of their Bible. funny how he denied the parallels between Christ and Ausar, but he goes out of his way to connect Kemet to Blavatsky, wow. Thursday at 6:38pm
Yani Gonzalez Don't want to claim titles but freely give them to others........ Thursday at 6:39pm
Yani Gonzalez *My conversation with me and him is no longer serious!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:39pm
Yani Gonzalez Quickly changes the subject to his convince. Only answers to what's convenient to him. And is delusional in thinking in answers don't don't exist........ I could keep going but the list farto long and negative.......... I rather at this point sit back and continue to laugh at him.............. You Kevin are now OFFICIALLY IGNORED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kenyette BLESS YOU MY DEAR, DEAR, DEAR BROTHA AND YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR A GEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....................DUA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thursday at 6:59pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Am i a joke for asking you to tell us the differnce between what kemetics teach and what the satanist teach? Then are you not a joke for asking beleivers for the difference between the ancient myths and the life of christ? Or is this the ol" kemetic double standard? 4hrs 14mins left Thursday at 7:46pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Kenyetta you said "You are the one who shows your ignorance by continuing to deny that we have presented what you have asked for on many occasions" please kenyetta, show us where those answers were given during this debate, i have looked and found no such answers. if you can not show us where you gave those answers in this debate we must conclude that you are lying again. fraud, deception;what else are you capable of to promote the doctrine of kemetics? Thursday at 7:52pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea I asked you to tell me what satanist practice and I would tell you if I shared the practices. You sent a link(again). I viewed it and found nothing satanic about it. The practices in your link were in use long before Blavatsky. Try again! Tuesday at 8:25pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea Discussing the use of oils, and annointment is one of the first practices on the link YOU posted. It says in your Bible that Je-Zeus was anointed with oils, does that make him a Satanist? Can you show me where Blavatsky practiced any of that? I see that your method is if you throw enough on the wall something is bound to stick, but the only thing that keeps getting stuck is you!
http://sacredritualsofkemet.blogspot.com/ Thursday at 8:23pm
Kenyetta Bethea I am not familiar with satanist teachings or practices. You are the authority on satanism in this discussion. Be specific. Tuesday at 9:09pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson why do you pretend to not know what i'm talking about? you know very well what the similarities are because i've discussed this with you before! ok fine, blavatsky often used to phrase "as above so below" http://www.blavatsky.net/newsletters/as_above_so_below_part1.htmwhich kemetics teach blavatsky was the originator of the "christ was a myth theory" http://blavatskyarchives.com/jesuschrist.htm which kemetics teach. and although the original osirian myth does not include isis, she uses the later version of the myth, to make it seem like christ comes from the osirian myth, which is the one kemtics teach. blavatsky taught the 7 tier theoryhttp://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html which kemetics teach. blavatsky was one of the founders of the theosophiical society http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_Blavatsky which kemetics teach. which of these teachings is not the teachings of the kemetics? Tuesday at 9:57pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky teaches the same type of numerology that kemetics teachhttp://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/blavatsky-numbers.html blavatsky taught about the relevence of the pineal gland to the spirit and soul http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ExtensionsOfEvidence-Series/DescartesAndTheSoul.html which kemetics teach. pleas tell me which one of these 6 teachings does not correspond to the teachings of the kemetic recontructionism? Tuesday at 10:02pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson blavatsky taught that christ was serapis http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/jesusone.html the same teaching as kemetics blavatsky taught that the catholic curch invented christ http://www.ancientwisdomcentral.us/borntodie.htm the same s kemetics. it seems that all of the pillars of kemetics are set on the foundation of the teachings of blavatsky. would someone care to show me what the differences are between these "eight" teachings of this satanist and the kemetic reconstructioinist? kenyetta? anyone? Tuesday at 10:44pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea "as above so below"
You mean like, on earth as it is in heaven? Stop! The vast majority of what I have been taught(still learning) looks nothing like the material you post in your links. You should not judge that which you no little of. The Nebular hypothesis of Laplace is said to have been inspired by the Shabaka stone also Keplars law of planetary motion. The Kemetu also taught that energy and matter were one long before Einstein. Is that science Satanic enough for you. as for particulars of the spiritual side, i will let you continue to guess. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.(just quoting, not implying that you are a dog or swine, though we may have differences at the end of the day you are my brother and an elder, I would not insult you in that way) Tuesday at 10:48pm · Like Thursday at 8:24pm
Kenyetta Bethea Moreover, the ancients did not believe what our modern science teaches us, namely, that light and heat proceed from our sun. The sun has no more heat in it than the moon or the space-crowding hosts of sparkling stars"
I am unaware of these teachings! Okay I repeated myself. You win! And just as you did in your first debate with Shakka you will continue to insist that I didn't Yesterday at 12:05am · Like
Kenyetta Bethea It is 'Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,' -H.P. Blavatsky.
You yourself said that the Egyptians were polytheist, so how can you say what the "Kemetics" teach and what Blavatsky taught are one and the same. I do not worship Satan, and i don't know anyone personally who does. Jedi mind tricks only work in the movies. You must have had to much communion today, lol. dont worry be happy 22 hours ago · Like 20 hours ago · Like · 1 person Thursday at 8:28pm
Kenyetta Bethea See above i showed you a major difference 22 hours ago and repeated again 20 hours ago, lol. stay out of the communion. There is no fool like an old fool. I know what you will say next. Lets see if I am still prophetic, lol. Thursday at 8:33pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Kenyetta obviously you are trying ot avoid answering me. I was not asking you what was different between what satanist practiced and what kemetics practiced. I asked you what was different between what kemetics taught and what blavatsky taught on those same subjects. Let me help you. Blavatsky taught that christ was a myth in her book "Isis Unveiled" in that theory she said that based on the version of the osirian myth that she used that osiris was a type of christ for whom the myth christ was based upon. She also said that christ worship came from the mistaken worship of serapis and that christ was created at the nicean council. Please explain how this is different from what the kemtics teach. question: do you teach that christ is a myth? do you use the same version of the osirian myth as blavatsky? do you teach that worship of christ came from the mistaken worship of serapis? do you teach that christ was invented at the nicean council? where did you get those ideas from? those are the questions you need to answer not the questions that you made up for yourself to answer. 3hrs 20mins left. Thursday at 8:40pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea blavatsky taught the 7 tier theoryhttp://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ListOfCollatedArticles/WisdomInSolarReverence.html which kemetics teach.
i have not been taught nor do I teach this theory. i am a prophet Thursday at 8:42pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Kenyetta obviously you are trying ot avoid answering me. I was not asking you what was different between what satanist practiced and what kemetics practiced. I asked you what was different between what kemetics taught and what blavatsky taught on those same subjects.
So what you are saying is that what Blavatsky taught in relation to Kemet is not Satanic. Then what point are you trying to make, if you are not trying to link it to satanism. SMH!
And thats not what you asked. You asked how does what Kemetics teach differ from what Blavatsky teaches PERIOD! You are trying to change the question after you have been given an answer. Thursday at 8:46pm
Now please tell me how the Memphite theology that I posted days ago is similar at all to to your 7 tier theory. If you wanted to, you would have noticed a vast difference, but it doesn't suit your cause which is not the truth. You are indeed a good Christian soldier. 2 hrs 32mins Thursday at 9:29pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson dont be coy with me young lady. you knew what i was talking about a along. its very obvious. Thursday at 9:29pm · Like
Kenyetta Bethea LOL, Gotcha Thursday at 9:31pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson Blavatsky taught that christ was a myth in her book "Isis Unveiled" in that theory she said that based on the version of the osirian myth that she used that osiris was a type of christ for whom the myth christ was based upon. She also said that christ worship came from the mistaken worship of serapis and that christ was created at the nicean council. Please explain how this is different from what the kemtics teach. question: do you teach that christ is a myth? do you use the same version of the osirian myth as blavatsky? do you teach that worship of christ came from the mistaken worship of serapis? do you teach that christ was invented at the nicean council? where did you get those ideas from? those are the questions you need to answer not the questions that you made up for yourself to answer. now since we're clear now, my little comedienne,will you answer me? Thursday at 9:39pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu Ok Kevin...I've let you have your run...I let you get it all off of your chest and out of your system. I let you play with the cubs (smile). I wanted to see where this was going...where it would end up. Times up. After I eat...I will commence with destroying every falsehood you have attempted to pass off or 'peddle' as 'scholarship'. I suggest all of you contact your friends and tell them...Shakka Ahmose is about to commence with the funeral of Christianity, Jesus and the Bible ONCE AND FOR ALL.. and there will be no resurrection for these institutions of lies. As there are almost a thousand comments in this forum I will address only those foundational concerns that I recall seeing posted throughout this dialogue. I'm sorry Kevin but...it's over. Enjoy your last hour. I have a meal to eat with my son. The only resurrection that will be taking place will be that of the place where the philosophy of 'Resurrection' was born; that of Ancient Egypt. As I said...enjoy your last hour of Christian apologetics, as the ones following it I can assure you will be quite painful for you and all soon to be former Christians following the dialogue in this forum. Kiss Jesus goodbye when I return (smile). Thursday at 9:44pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu This will be my final debate for some time as my production endeavors require my full attention. As Kevin requested at the beginning of our first debate...primary evidence will be the standard for the remainder of this debate. Kevin...I wish you and Jesus all the luck in the world because you're both going to need it. Thursday at 9:53pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson hey shakka. i wasa wondering how long i would have to deal with those who know so little? i tell you what. lets save it for tomorrow as i will be having company soon. but dont think you'll bury christ that easily my friend. i havnt shot all of my bullets. i was saving the best for you. i couldnt call you out as i have done others,as i consider you a friend. i do believe you are all wet when it comes to the issues at hand but you have my deepest respect and wiil continue to have it after we expose kemetics as the misbegotten dillusion of the angry black masses. so eat drink and be merry for tomorrow kemetic reconstructionism dies. until then my friend. Thursday at 10:04pm
Shakka Ahmose Manu No Kevin, we are not 'friends'...we are family. And now as in all family confrontations those secrets thought eternal will now be...resurrected, for all to bear witness to. Thursday at 10:06pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson i propose that we make a point and then back it up with a link where all can go to and examine the information even if we are just copying a few lines fro the site. ok? Thursday at 10:14pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson *from Thursday at 10:14pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson unsubstantiated baseless claims that can not be backed up with documentation which can be examined is forbidden. it cant be that what i say is true ,just because i said it and it sounded clever. points made and substantiated should be acknowledged as established fact. niether of us can just ignore a point made and dismiss it without acknowledging that we stand corrected. in areas which require in-depth study and can not be resolved instantly these topics may have to be tabled for later discussion. let me know what you think and what format you would like to see us use Thursday at 10:21pm
Kevin Pendleton Johnson have it your way, friends family whatever i'm flexible. this is not about you and me anyway, this is about the direction of our people. and where it goes from here. Thursday at 10:23pm · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson so shakka you deleted my post? what was wrong with it? or is this more of what you told me before. "A person with a consummate argument always has more than one premise upon which to base his or her argument. You just performed poorly..."I'm not saying you were 'wrong'". What I'm saying is...you performed poorly. And in a debate as in anythinng else in life...that's all that matters. Don't we teach our children it's not whether you win or lose but,,,,you know the rest" now that i stopped playing with you and asked some serious questions, you gonna try and manipulate the debate with cheap tricks? so much for integrity. what else would i expect from someone who declares on his page. i won,i won. and then say to me in private "I'm not saying you were 'wrong'". i want answers to my questions about serapis. did ptolemy create the an image of himself because he wanted to be worshipped and named it serapis? Yesterday at 8:38am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson you're the one attacking christianity on a regular basis, now have the decency to answer my questions instead of deleting them. Yesterday at 8:40am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson did ptolemy create the an image of himself because he wanted to be worshipped and named it serapis? did people worship the image of serapis because they thought it was christ? what proof do you have that christ looked like serapis? do you have an eyewitness to the passover feast of those years involved who say's that there was no christ and no ressurection? do you have some one from that time period who say's that none of the things that the apostles said happened? what proof do you have that shows arius went to the nicean council to warn them that they were offering a false image? Yesterday at 8:56am · Like
Kevin Pendleton Johnson *what proof do you have that say's arius went to the nicean cuncil to warn them that tey were worshipping a false christ? Yesterday at 8:58am · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Like all Christians Bro. Kevin you seem to be suffering from delusions, I have deleted nothing. Perhaps you are looking in the wrong place as your 'scholarship' would make it appear as if you have a tendency to do that (not an insult or an attack, merely an observation....smile). Yesterday at 10:28am
Shakka Ahmose Manu Now I will begin. Item by item. Kevin, I ask that you control yourself and that you don't 'lose it' as your falsehoods are responed to and dismantled consummately and in an erudite fashion. I told you in our first initial 'privete' messages how I was going defeat you. I told you, like any good pugilist I was going to let you over extend reach and that I would then use your own momentum against you. I told you that when we began that you were not on my level (academically speaking), however I do respect the fact that you went for yours irrespective of that observation, alas to no avail as it will have turned out to have been nothing more than an exercise of fultility on your part. Unfortunately for you Jesus Truth as no expiration date. A lie does not become the truth merely because it garnishes support for itself by it's institutionalized adherents, or because it is persistently told, and sold for a period stretching into the millenniums. If a lie was told on the first day of existence it will remain a lie until the very last day of existence. We would all do well to consider that an unproven lie is still a lie none the less...it simply has yet to be proven to be so. In our first debate on this page Kevin I proved your assertions concerning Osiris to be 100% false. I find no reason to revisit the issue (though I will, with the force of Maat, ie. 'Truth' this time) as all anyone has to do is to read the debate as I have left it on my page for posterity. In fact I will began saving all of my debates in the form of 'notes' that will be published on my SHAKKA AHMOSE FAM PAGE http://www.facebook.com/pages/Shakka-Ahmose/189402961092714 I will begin by addressing the main issues you have made points of contention as regards: 1) assertions you have made concerning both Budge and Blavatsky and Theosophy as well, the veracity of our understanding of the Osirion 'mythology' and I will also revisit the assertions you made in our first debate concerning the fate of Osiris and the explicit parallels reflected in the Christ myth which are in fact items of plagiarization on the part of the Bible writers, editors and compilers. When I have completed these things I will address the Serapis issue as well as the veracity of Walter Williams works. As you were given the common courtesy of being allowed to present virtually uninterrupted by myself, I strongly request that I be afforded that same courtesy as well. Thank you Kevin. You have my condolences as this is where we lay Christianity to rest. Be aware that though do not comment there are a substantive amount of Christians reading this dialogue, clergy and otherwise. I'm sure they have enjoyed the last week or so as you Kevin have sought to create doubt as regards the positions and premises of those within the Kemetic community of which I no doubt am a part of. I hope they will continue to read as I lay Christianity bare and naked before all participating in this forum...yourself included. Now I will begin. Yesterday at 11:07am
Shakka Ahmose Manu I do this on behalf of King Unas of the VIth Dynasty...may he find his journey competently testified to by myself as I commence with the onslaught of those gods who would stop this Truth from being brought forth. I also do this on behalf of the global Kemetic community and on behalf of my mother's God father, Dr. Yosef Ben Jochannan. Hotep. Yesterday at 11:12am
Shakka Ahmose Manu I will began with Blavatsky Yesterday at 11:13am
Shakka Ahmose Manu @Kevin
First of all, your errant assertion that Blavatsky was the 'founder' or 'creator' of 'theosophy' as a term, or as an epistemological world view is 100% flat out INCORRECT. The very term itself PRE-DATES Blavatsky's existence , therefore you are attributing to her credit that the historical record itself REFUTES: 1. "The term ('THEOSOPHY') appeared in Neoplatonism. Porphyry De Abstinentia (4.9) mentioned "Greek and Chaldean THEOSOPHY", Ἑλληνική, Χαλδαϊκὴ θεοσοφία." The Oxford English Dictionary defines theosophy as: "Any system of speculation which bases the knowledge of nature upon that of the divine nature" Wikipedia (2nd paragraph in the section marked 'Etymology') http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy
2. When Porphyry of Tyre (AD 234–c. 305) wrote his De Abstinentia CITING "Greek and Chaldean THEOSOPHY" as is DOCUMENTED in his literature DATING FROM THE 3RD CENTURY Blavatsky's great, great, great, great, grandparents DIDN'T EVEN EXIST!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porphyry_%28philosopher%29
3. "THEOSOPHY (Greek: θεοσοφία theosophia "KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS DIVINE", literally "GOD-WISDOM"), designates SEVERAL BODIES OF IDEAS since LATE ANTIQUITY THE GREEK TERM IS ATTESTED ON MAGICAL PAPYRI (PMag. Leid. W.6.17: ἡ ἄγαν θεοσοφία)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy_%28history_of_philosophy%29
4. As far as the GREEK MAGICAL PAPYRI in which the term 'THEOSOPHY' is documented as being cited are concerned, they themselves date from: "The materials in the papyri date from the 2nd century BC to the 5th century AD." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_papyri
Therefore all of this NONSENSE about Blavatsky is simply that...NONSENSE, and what would appear to be just more of your usual poor scholarship I've become accustomed to at this point (that observation was not made as an insult but as a chastisement and an admonishment which I have every right to make as regards the nature of the dialogue as any discerning spirit would no doubt appreciate....smile). I didn't respond with 'insults' I responded with the documented FACTS. It is thus the FACTS which insult you and not I. Be instructed, and apparently 'taught' as well. I tried to warn you earlier that you are waaay out of your league. Enjoy the 'spanking'...you've earned it (smile).
Blavatsky founded the 'Theosophical Society', that was her business and is no reflection on 'Theosophy' as an epistemological worldview whatsoever. To attempt to illustrate the obverse is no less silly than saying 'Christian Ku Klux Klan' or 'German Nazi Christians' created Christianity and that because of these groups founded institutions and movements based on their interpretation of a religion, that the religion itself reflects their ideology: 1. "Some Nazis promoted Positive Christianity which attempted to replace traditional Christian beliefs with those agreeable with Nazism, which many in the German Christians accepted."
Richard Steigmann–Gall, The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945 (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003) p. 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#cite_note-gall-49
2. KKK; Religion 'Protestant Christianity' ( in section marked 'Properties' at the bottom of the breakdown contents to the right of the page) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
If Christianity should not be held accountable by what these people and others chose to do with it then neither should 'Theosophy' be held accountable for how Blavatsky chose to interpret and practice it . It was neither her creation and it speaks for Blavatsly in as much as Christianity speaks for the KKK and Nazi Germany. I would also admonish that no where in any of these documented references have you seen any allusion to the term or reference of 'Satanism'. That is typical Christian juvenile behaviour and practice, to vilify and designate everything usurping Christian doctrinal control over the minds of others as being 'of the devil'. It's silly, childish and just plain juvenile. Next you'll be accusing me of witch craft and seek to have me burned at the stake...another practice born of Christian behaviour. Please don't ask me to prove it because it would be all too simple...and I think by now that anyone who has even a little bit of knowledge of Christian Puritan behaviour, or the Spanish inquisition knows all too well the horror stories. Please...let us remain on subject. And for the the record, no matter how you try to 'resurrect' it, you have definitively LOST the Blavatsky argument. References to the Eschatology of Ancient Egypt being the antecedent and prototype of Christianity predate Blavatsky as does 'Theosophy', a documented FACT which you worked so diligently obscure. Unfortunately for you, you FAILED to do so successfully. And Kevin...please be cognizant of the fact that simply because you may have a 'comeback' as regards the accurate and documented information above, this does not mean that you have somehow not lost the argument concerning Blavatsky. It simply means 'accepting' defeat and 'being' defeated are two entirely different things, as you have in fact been 'defeated' on this point, whether or not you are equipped to accept or not is a matter of your own personal affair and makes no difference to either myself or the historical record as both it and myself are in total agreement concerning the subject matter as has been proven beyond any shadow of a Christian doubt (smile). Hotep. 23 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Now I will deal your false accusations concerning E.A. Wallis Budge, The 'Keeper of the Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities at the British Museum'. 23 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu E. A. Wallis Budge- Table of Contents; 'Literary and Social Career': Budge was, himself, a proponent of liberal 'CHRISTIANITY'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._A._Wallis_Budge#Literary_and_social_career
My Commentary: It was well known to all of Budge's contemporaries that he was a devout CHRISTIAN. Only 'a-historical' desperate Christian apologists oblivious to the historical record seek to dump all British 'scholars' espousing views similar to one another, into one group all devoted to Blavatsky and HER Theosophical Society. Budge WAS NOT a member of Blavatsky's Theosophical Society. He was not Gerald Massey and should not be confounded, compounded or confused with him, though confusion seems to be your preferred cup of tea: Not only did Budge LEARN THE LANGUAGE OF ANCIENT EGYPT, but he did so AT THE BRITISH MUSEUM, and did it as a valued member of the institution itself, therefore he was not limited to the 'Legends' of Osiris, Isis and Horus as bequeathed to us through Diodorus Siculus (30 BC) and Plutarch (1st Century AD) as most others are...yourself included. HE COULD READ THE LANGUAGE. Therefore his commentaries on the subject matter are virtually first hand assertions made from first hand accounts...the writings of the Ancient Egyptians themselves. Observe: "Budge entered the British Museum in the re-named Department of Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities in 1883, and though he was initially appointed to the Assyrian section, he soon transferred to the Egyptian section, where he began to STUDY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE...". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._A._Wallis_Budge#Literary_and_social_career
He was educated and well versed in other linguistic variants as well which afforded him a trained eye possessed by few even to this day: "Both Smith and Gladstone agreed to help Stainer to raise money for Budge to attend CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY, where Budge later studied Semitic languages, including Hebrew, Syriac, Ethiopic and Arabic from 1878 to 1883, continuing to study Assyrian on his own. Budge worked closely during these years with the famous scholar of Semitic languages William Wright, among others." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._A._Wallis_Budge#Earlier_life
Therefore Kevin your efforts at portraying Budge as some 'devil-worshipping, theosophist' associated with Blavatsky, Massey and others of that ilk are nothing more than either the histrionics of a Christian apologist gone completely stark mad, just one more reflection of your wanting scholarship or just the plain and simple, usual Christian dishonesty; efforts at characterizing the credibility and character of the source of information that successfully discredits your widely held, however false assertions and beliefs.
For the record, you have soundly LOST the Budge argument. His assertions concerning Osiris and his RESURRECTION rest solely on the WRITTEN TESTIMONY OF THE PEOPLE OF ANCIENT KEMET THEMSELVES (AS YOU WILL SHORTLY SEE I CAN ASSURE YOU), AND NOT ON LEGENDS RENDERED BY PLUTARCH AND DIODORUS OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER. In fact, that you made the assertion, that Budges assertions concerning Osiris' RESURRECTION, came from the respective legends mentioned above or from his presumed and alleged 'association' with Blavatsky and HER Society, the fact that you made these assertions and felt they required no proof whatsoever by way of serious documentation says much more about your lack of knowledge concerning the subject matter being 'debated'. You appear to know very little concering EVERYTHING you've sought to make obsolete. Talk about wasted effort. Your time would've been better spent asking me to teach you. If Budge was a 'theosophist', an associate of Blavatsky's or a 'Satanist' as you repeatedly alleged against him the article cited above, chock full of information concerning his life, had ample opportunity to document those things and include them in his extensive and meticulously researched biography, however that did not occur ...due to the FACT that the only place those HISTORICALLY INCORRECT ASSERTIONS could find some credibility and confirmation is in your subverted Christian mind. Ignorance is a highly contagious disease of the mind, and you apparently appear to be suffering from an acute case as are ALL Christians. I didn't stutter, I said ...ALL Christians. You might wanna put some A-1 Sauce on that foot in your mouth..smile. I'm serving 'defeat sandwiches' all day long and you apparently keep getting in line to get your share: 1) Budge was not a theosphist 2) Budge was not an associate or an affiliate of Blavatsky's 3) Budge was not a Satanist. He was a documented CHRISTIAN, extremely well learned with a documented illustrious academic career; an EXPERT on the literature of Ancient Egypt. You however are not. 4) Once again...you LOSE, and everyone is going to talk about it, myself included (smile). 22 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin...you picked the wrong person to debate. You came to the wrong page, and chose the wrong subject matter. I haven't even started. 22 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu I told you Kevin...people collect my debates for a reason; it is because they are as valuable as are the glyphs adorning the temples of our ancestors throughout the Nile Valley Corridor. And yes I will also adress your false assertion that American Africans have no link to the Nile Valley. Either a link exists, or none does. My job is to establish one and only one. Once that is accomplished your job is to disprove it. If you cannot, if you cannot establish reasonable doubt concerning the 'link' I establish then the argument goes to me. Period. 22 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu I will now revisit the false assertions you made in our first debate. When I am done with those I will address the Serapis issue, though by the time I get to it, it probably won't be necessary, as by then our case for Kemetic Primacy and authenticity against Christian plagiarism and false claims to authenticity will have, no doubt whatsoever, by then have been proven..again beyond any shadow of any doubt, christian or otherwise. 21 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin...did you think you were the only academic 'bully' in town? In fact you can't even claim the title as thus far there's been nothing whatsoever 'academic' in your 'thrusts'; only the mere illusion of 'academic' posture. To be 'academic' your facts must hold up as does mine. I told you in our first debate that Budge's assertions concerning Osiris were NOT founded on the legends rendered by Siculus or Plutarch. I said so explicitly (and it is there for everyone to still read, christians included). I said that Budge's assertions (which were 100% correct as you will see shortly) were well founded on what could be culled from the literature of the Ancient Egyptians themselves. Even if the decipherment of the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs (ie. 'Medu Neter') are 'incorrect', as many claim, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the argument being posed by yourself. Based on accepted university/academic standards (*of varying periods)...using the system of hieroglyphic translations, transliterations and transcriptions, one can only come to the same conclusions Budged himself reached, and essentially speaking...that is this:
"The central figure of the Ancient Egyptian Religion was Osiris, AND THE CHIEF FUNDAMENTALS OF HIS CULT WERE THE BELIEF IN HIS DIVINITY, DEATH, RESURRECTION AND ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF THE DESTINIES OF THE BODIES AND SOULS OF MEN. THE CENTRAL POINT OF EACH OSIRIAN'S RELIGION WAS HIS HOPE OF RESURRECTION IN A TRANSFORMED BODY AND OF IMMORTALITY, WHICH COULD ONLY BE REALIZED BY HIM THROUGH THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF OSIRIS."
EA WALLIS BUDGE 'OSIRIS AND THE EGYPTIAN RESURRECTION' (Preface) Publ. 1911
Budge also rightly concluded on his READING OF THE TEXTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT that:
"Since Osiris seems to have been THE EARLIEST DEATH AND RESURRECTION GOD, WHOSE WORSHIP BOTH C.A.U.S.E.D. AND INFLUENCED LATER DEITIES, the cult of Osiris is highly important to all concerned with the development of human culture."
EA WALLIS BUDGE 'OSIRIS AND THE EGYPTIAN RESURRECTION' (Inside Cover) Publ. 1911
These conclusions of Budges...and apparently many, many others were NOT based on the legends as told by Plutarch and Siculus...or anyone else for that matter. His efforts were to get it straight from the mouths of our continental extended family; the black African people of the Nile Valley themselves. He even stresses that even as far back as Herodotus (5th century BCE), that those non African writters writing on the religion of the people of Ancient Egypt had not and could not read the language of the people therefore there was much they did not know....this is why they are relegated to the status of 'legend'. Budge said, and I repeat (as I documented it in our first debate in which I soundly defeated you, as anyone can again, go back and READ IT FOR THEMSELVES...smile):
"Herodotus and others wrote down, no doubt, accurately enough, so far as they understood it, what they were told by Egyptian priests and by their well educated friends in Egypt, but it is quite clear, by the construction which they put upon much of the information which they received, that they did not really understand the rudimentary principles of THE EGYPTIAN RELIGION, or it's primitive cults, OR THE NATURE OF THEIR SYMBOLISM. There is no evidence in their works that they knew of, or even suspected, the existence in it OF THE ALL-EMBRACING BELIEFS IN THE POWER OF THE GREAT ANCESTRAL SPIRIT, AND IN THE RESURRECTION OF MEN IN GENERAL AND THEIR IMMORTALITY, WHICH ARE THE CHIEF CHARACTERISTICS OF THE EGYPTIAN RELIGION. And these writers had no knowledge of the details of the cult of Osiris, and of it's history, such as we now possess (thanks to the religious texts of the VIth dynasty), because they could not read the the native literature of Egypt."
EA WALLIS BUDGE 'OSIRIS AND THE EGYPTIAN RESURRECTION' (pg. viii of Preface) Publ. 1911
Budge CLEARLY states that neither Herodotus nor the other non African classical writers who followed him were in possession of information that would lead them to suspect the lengths to which the religion of the black African peoples of Ancient Egypt reached. He himself says exactly that explicitly so:
"Herodotus and others wrote down, no doubt, accurately enough, so far as they understood it, what they were told by Egyptian priests and by their well educated friends in Egypt, but it is quite clear, by the construction which they put upon much of the information which they received, that they did not really understand the rudimentary principles of THE EGYPTIAN RELIGION, or it's primitive cults, OR THE NATURE OF THEIR SYMBOLISM. There is no evidence in their works that they knew of, OR EVEN SUSPECTED, the existence in it OF THE ALL-EMBRACING BELIEFS IN THE POWER OF THE GREAT ANCESTRAL SPIRIT, AND IN THE RESURRECTION OF MEN IN GENERAL AND THEIR IMMORTALITY, WHICH ARE THE CHIEF CHARACTERISTICS OF THE EGYPTIAN RELIGION. And these writers HAD NO KNOWLEDGE of the details of the cult of Osiris, and of it's history, such as WE NOW POSSESS (thanks to the religious texts of the VIth dynasty), because they could not read the the native literature of Egypt."
EA WALLIS BUDGE 'OSIRIS AND THE EGYPTIAN RESURRECTION' (pg. viii of Preface) Publ. 1911
Budge clearly makes a distinction between the knowledge of the non African so called 'classical' writers of relative Antiquity, and the knowledge that has been accumulated from the time of the 'decipherment' of the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs by Jean-François Champollion, even up to his time which would have placed that in the 20TH CENTURY. Therefor to PRETEND that Budge made his assertions based on the writers of the 'Classical period' is as I said before misleading at best, or a desperate, easily 'seen through' attempt on your part to TEMPT the reader to believe otherwise. And here I thought it was the 'Devil' who sought to 'tempt'. Budge CLEARLY STATES that his assertions are based SOLELY ON THE TEXTS OF ANCIENT EGYPT THEMSELVES...AND NOTHING MORE OR LESS FOR THAT MATTER. It is ONLY where the texts of Ancient Egypt substantiates the assertions made by these so called 'Classical writers' that Budge validates their works. ONLY WHERE THE TEXTS THEMSELVES reflect the writings of Siculus, Plutarch and others. IT IS THE TEXTS THAT ARE THE SUBSTANTIATION FOR BUDGE...NOT PLUTARCH, SICULUS OR HERODOTUS NOR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS THEMSELVES FOR THAT MATTER:
"The narratives of Plutarch and Diodorus conatain a great many statements about Osiris and Isis WHICH CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED BY TEXTS WRITTEN THREE THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE THE CHRISTIAN ERA, but they are arranged in wrong order, and many of them are joined together in such a way that it is certain that neither the classical writers nor their informants understood THE ORIGINAL FORM OF THE HISTORY OF OSIRIS."
EA WALLIS BUDGE 'OSIRIS AND THE EGYPTIAN RESURRECTION' (Chapt. 1, pg. 17 & 18, 2nd & 1st paragraphs respectively) Publ. 1911
Budge even goes so far to critique the order of arrangement of the few substantiated elements the 'classical writers' did get correct which he only could have done if he was contrasting their accounts with PRIMARY SOURCES. Primary sources I can assure I will allow to speak for themselves shortly. Of this you can be greatly assured. 20 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Now we shall let the PRIMARY SOURCES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES (smile). This is your last chance to wish christianity a farewell Kevin...because once the Primary Sources are introduced to this dialogue...the THIN AIR you have been standing on will be made starkly, quite apparent, and you are going to drop back down to earth with your mouth wide open with nothing coming out of it but more EXCUSES for christianty (I no longer spell 'christianity' with a capital 'C' as I don't feel it even deserves to be capitalized, it's a 'Johnny Come Lately' idea that deserves to be shown for the plagiarism that it most certainly, undoubtedly is). Enjoy the fall...I know I'll enjoy bringing it about (smile). The least I can do for our people. We've been incarcerated in someone else's self imposed carceration for waaay to long. Time to get free. You're welcome to come along Kevin. Massa Constantine no longer has any use for us (smile). 20 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Now...the Primary Sources. 20 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin irrespective of whether you mentioned the Theosphical Society or Theosophy itself it remains a non sequitur. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the premise of the argument as you attribute 'credit' to Blavatsky and her society, that belong to niether. Blavatsky nor her society were 'the first' to illustrate evident parallels found betwixt the christ myth and the Osirion Drama. Therefore you remain incorrect on all accounts as I have noted previously. 19 hours ago
Kevin Pendleton Johnson as to your assertion that this is meaningless because "Some Nazis promoted Positive Christianity which attempted to replace traditional Christian beliefs with those agreeable with Nazism, which many in the German Christians accepted" thats absolute nonsense. first of all if you noticed in all of your definitions of theosophy there are two things that jump off the page. a) not one of those definitions mention a specific set of teachings. in fact one of your definitions say's THEOSOPHY (Greek: θεοσοφία theosophia "KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS DIVINE", literally "GOD-WISDOM"), designates SEVERAL BODIES OF IDEAS since LATE ANTIQUITY THE GREEK TERM IS ATTESTED ON MAGICAL PAPYRI (PMag. Leid. W.6.17: ἡ ἄγαν θεοσοφία)" Did you overlook the reference to "SEVERAL BODIES OF IDEAS"? The truth is that these "bodies of idea" were never connected and placed into one set of teachings,there was no organization who brought all of these teachings together until blavatsky founded the society and brought them all under one umbrella. the satanist blavatsky was the one that codified theosophy. World English Dictionary codify (ˈkəʊdɪˌfaɪ, ˈkɒ-)
— vb , -fies , -fying , -fied ( tr ) to organize or collect together (laws, rules, procedures, etc) into a system or code
— n b) what these specific ideas were is never mentioned. so for all we know, none of these ideas are the basis for what is called theosophy,today. c) not one of the people who were qouted as defining theosophy,were black. all i see is a bunch of white folks creating for you a set of beliefs that you falsely claim as belonging to our people. ironically this is exactly what you accuse believers of!! d) none of the groups that you mentioned as having some affinity for christianity have a religion that they founded or a society or founded a church, which teaches and promotes the ideas of their founder. "Some Nazis promoted Positive Christianity which attempted to replace traditional Christian beliefs with those agreeable with Nazism, which many in the German Christians accepted." and " KKK; Religion 'Protestant Christianity' ( in section marked 'Properties' at the bottom of the breakdown contents to the right of the page" So your application is absurd. There is no parallel between christ founding the church and some nut-jobs saying that "hey i found a way to make christians feel better about us" Where is the "Nazi" church of america and how many members does it have? Where is the "KKK" church of america and how many members does it have. Blavatsky founded a society which teaches and promotes her doctrine. It is widely known and accepted all over the world. Therefore i can seperate christ from nazis and the kkk. but you cant seperate blavatsky from the theosophical society. So you might want to spend less time being verbose and more paying attention to the details. There's an old saying amongst life insurance salesmen, i should know because i was one for 7yrs, "The devil is in the details" 2/0 19 hours ago · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin..youre a 'joke' scholastically speaking. You're so in love with Theosophy? You can have it. No one in this dialogue is as obsessed with it as are you. Theosophy is not the discussion here, though you have attempted rather successfully up until now to make it so. The only person in this dialogue attempting to push 'theosophy' as a note of interest is Y.O.U. You also fail to acknowledge your false accusations that have been proven erroneous and inaccurate such as your assertions made concerning Budge. You act as if not responding to it and by not acknowleding your error...it will just simply disappear. Clarifying your mistake makes it none the less a mistake. You introduce issues into the dialogue that are issues to one other than your own misguided self. It was you who brought up Blavatsky as if she actually has any bearing on the subject matter. Is it Blavatsky's fault that one of the Early Church Fathers, the Early Church Fathers who are credited with founding Christian theology as we have come to know it today is named Origen (1st century AD) who's very name means 'CHILD OF HORUS"?
Etymology (of 'Origen') "His Greek name, Ōrigénēs (Ὠριγένης), probably means 'CHILD OF HORUS' " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen
Hmm now lets see, someone credited with helping to found christian doctrine is named 'CHILD OF HORUS' and you want to introduce Blavatsky into the dialogue? Are you supposed to be taken seriously?
St. Augustine (3rd Century AD) thee most important of the Early Church Fathers said in his own writings as I posted in our previous debate (in which you lost just as you are on your way to miserably losing this one), which you glaringly chose not to respond to (typical christian behaviour...'just pretend it doesn't exist and no one will see it' ) that:
"What is now called the 'Christian religion' HAS EXISTED AMONG THE ANCIENTS AND WAS NOT ABSENT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE HUMAN RACE ....THE TRUE RELIGION WHICH EXISTED .... BEGAN TO BE CALLED CHRISTIAN"
St. Augustine (Retract I, 13)
AUGUSTINE HIMSELF EXPLICITLY STATES THAT CHRISTIANITY IS NOT AN ORIGINAL RELIGION!!! And you want to introduce a clown like Blavatsky into the dialogue as if we needed to take our cue from her? It is you who insult, assuming we are all consumed by the nonsense that apparently and evidently consumes you. 19 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin please do not attempt to commandeer the dialogue in an effort to prevent me from presenting the PRIMARY EVIDENCE. I'm sure everyone would like to see for themselves just exactly what the Ancient Egyptians had to say about their own religion. The only person concerned with what Blavatsky had to say apparently is you. Please refrain from using her as a distraction from the topic at hand, and that topic is the plagiarization of the Bible writers, editors and compilers...why the Bible? Because it is the foundational source of the fictitious Jesus Christ. If reasonable doubt can be placed on the Bible itself and plagiarization can be definitively illustrated and proven then your argument is rendered mute...irrespective of A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. you may have to say in response to such DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE. It is the EVIDENCE that has the last words in my forums...not someone's religious ideology...be they Kemetic or christian and I have proven that thus far by admonishing members of the Kemetic community who have not represented as they should have within this forum...and it was done publicly. Anyone reading this forum will be forced to attest to that. Now I will proceed un-interruptedly in presenting the Primary Evidence. Please keep your bizarre fascination with Blavatsky to your self as she is neither a topic of interest here nor is she the subject matter and you will not be given a license to make her so. Pleas be instructed. 19 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "Ok i see where this is going. I guess i have to say it since you wont. First of all, osiris is never ressurected. He's put back together from the fourteen pieces he was hacked into,except his peins, then revived for a short time while isis impregnates herself on a make-shift penis that she attaches to him. He then is forbidden to return to the land of the living and thus becomes the lord of the underworld. Thats not similar at all. There is no ressurection as he remains Lord of the dead until this day." Kevin P.J.
Kevin you yourself said that the Legends of Osiris as told by Plutarch and Diodorus were unreliable as they themselves could not read the language of Ancient Egypt and got it second hand. Then why would you argue using a legend that you yourself (along with Budge, relatively speaking) have already discredited? That defies all of the logic in the world. It would have made much more sense for you to have disputed the PRIMARY EVIDENCE. Good luck with that (smile). 19 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Now Kevin..I will not post the so called 'Classical Myths' of Osiris as re-counted by Herodotus, Plutarch and Diodorus...as I've no need for them. I will quote from Primary sources only:
1. The Pyramid Texts (2400 BCE) the OLDEST religious texts on the planet. 2. The Coffin Texts (2181BC) the next OLDEST 3. The Papyrus of Ani (1240 BC) the final in the corpus of literature concerning the eschatology of the black peoples of Ancient Egypt.
We will let the Word of Ancient Egypt speak for itself. 18 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "osiris is NEVER RESURRECTED." Kevin P.J.
Is that so Kevin? Let's see what the Pyramid Texts, thee PRIMARY SOURCE, has to say about that:
. a) "O Atum, this one here is YOUR SON Osiris whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
b) O Shu, this one here is YOUR SON Osiris whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
c) O Tefnut, this one here is YOUR SON Osiris whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
d) O Geb, this one here is YOUR SON Osiris whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
e) O Nut, this one here is YOUR SON Osiris whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
f) O Isis, this one here is your brother Osiris, whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
g) "O Seth this one here is your brother Osiris, who has been caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE AND PUNISH YOU'
h) "O Nephthys, this one here is your brother Osiris, whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
I) "O Thoth, this one here is your brother Osiris, who has been caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE AND PUNISH YOU"
J) "O Horus, this one here is your father Osiris, whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE" k) "O Great Ennead, this one here is Osiris, whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE" L) "O Lesser Ennead, this one here is Osiris, whom you have caused TO BE RESTORED THAT HE MAY LIVE"
( (Utterance 219) 'THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN PYRAMID TEXTS'
The Devil is a liar Kevin Pendleton....therefore you must be the devil. 18 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "He (Osiris) then is FORBIDDEN to return to the land of the living" Kevin P.J.
Produce a primary source that SAYS that Osiris was FORBIDDEN to return to the land of the living, not a 2nd hand account from legends already called into question. Produce it or retract the statement. 18 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu " and thus becomes the lord of the underworld."Kevin P.J.
Produce a PRIMARY SOURCE that states the people of Ancient Egypt referred to the abode of Osiris as the 'Under' World. If you cannot...retract the statement, 18 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu There is no ressurection as he (Osiris) remains Lord of the dead until this day." Kevin P.J.
UTTERANCE 606 683a. To say: "Arise for me, father; stand up for me, Osiris N. It is I; I am thy son; I am Horus. I have come to thee, that I may purify thee, that I may cleanse thee, that I may REVIVIFY thee..." THE PYRAMID TEXTS 2400 BCE
revivify |rēˈvivəˌfī| verb ( -fies, -fied) [ trans. ] GIVE NEW LIFE or vigor to : they revivified a wine industry that had all but vanished. DERIVATIVES revivification |ˌrēˌvivəfəˈkā sh ən| |ˈˈriˈvɪvəfəˈkeɪʃən| |-fɪˈkeɪʃ(ə)n| noun ORIGIN late 17th cent.: from French revivifier or late Latin revivificare (see re- , vivify ).
New Oxford American Dictionary
Perhaps Kevin if you took your face out of the Bible and put it in a dictionary (or in this case thesaurus you wouldn't have made such a desperate superficial and inaccurate distinction where none in fact exists:
resurrect verb REVIVE, restore, regenerate, revitalize, breathe new life into, bring back to life, reinvigorate, resuscitate, rejuvenate, stimulate, reestablish, relaunch.
Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus No one or no thing agrees with you Kevin...on no thing (smile). 18 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Therefore...if you cannot discredit Budge's scholarship so you seek to charcterize Budge for us. Kevin you're a member of Facebook...does that mean you should be judged by everything your fellow Facebook members write? Kevin...you're a clown (scholastically speaking). How about we question the motives of each Bible writer that stole and plagiarized from the corpus of literature left by the Black people of Ancient Kemet since were questioning peoples motives...at least in this case there's ample proof:
EVERYONE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!!
THE AUTHENTIC KEMETIC ORIGINAL:
A) "Osiris speaks: O Horus, come to Djedu, clear my ways for me, and go all over my MANSION..." Spell 312 The Coffin Text 2181BC (Trans. by R.O. Faulkner.)
B) "The retainers of your father Osiris will serve you, I will make your name, for you have reached the horizon, having passed by the battlements OF THE MANSION..." Spell 148 The Coffin Text 2181BC (Trans. by R.O. Faulkner.)
THREE THOUSAND YEARS LATER (THE PLAGIARIZED VERSION)
John 14: 2 "In my Father's house ARE MANY MANSIONS" THE BIBLE 17 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "First of all, osiris is never ressurected." Kevin J.P.
"O! King, COLLECT YOUR BONES, ASSEMBLE YOUR MEMBERS, WHITEN YOUR TEETH, take your bodily heart, THROW OFF THIS EARTH WHICH IS ON YOUR FLESH, take this purification of yours . ."
THE PYRAMID TEXTS: BOOK V. THE HYMN 666 2400 BCE
"The doors are opened because of those whose seats are hidden (IN HEAVEN); ARISE, REMOVE YOUR EARTH, SHAKE OFF YOUR DUST, RAISE YOURSELF,"
THE PYRAMID TEXTS Hymn 419 2400 BCE
Here we have a PRIMARY SOURCE i.l.l.u.s.t.r.a.t.i.n.g. that not only was Osiris R.E.S.U.R.R.E.C.T.E.D. ( why else would someone REMOVE EARTH & DUST AND RAISE THEMSELVES? Duhhhh). Not only does it tell you that he is resurrected but the text ILLUSTRATES IT! 17 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin...if you took the time to read my posts, you will see...I'M NOT USING BUDGES TRANSLATIONS OF THE TEXTS!!!!...I'M USING FAULKNER AND MERCER...DUHHHH. Give the Budge thing up...argue against THE TEXTS. 17 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Now what are gonna do? Are you gonna say they worship Satan too? If you earn the name moron...you've only yourself to blame and no one in this forum. 17 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Still stuck on Budge just like you were stuck on Blavatsky....anything to act as a deterrent to looking at the texts themselves. You begged me to post PRIMARY EVIDENCE...well now I'm P.O.S.T.I.N.G. I.T. Don't act like a punk. Address the E.V.I.D.E.N.C.E. I thought no primary source would attest to Osiris' R.E.S.U.R.R.E.C.T.I.O.N. 17 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Not only was Osiris R.E.S.U.R.R.E.C.T.E.D. (in graphic depiction at that) but he also SAT ON HIS THRONE ONCE IT OCCURED....AND THE BIBLE WRITERS P.L.A.G.I.A.R.I.Z.E.D. THAT CONTENT AS WELL!!!
EVERYONE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!!
1. THE AUTHENTIC KEMETIC ORIGINAL:
Utterance 413. 735b. "RAISE THYSELF UP, take to thee thy head; unite to thee thy bones; SHAKE OFF THY DUST. SIT THOU UPON THY FIRM THRONE," THE PYRAMID TEXTS 2400 BCE
2. THREE THOUSAND YEARS LATER (THE PLAGIARIZED VERSION)
Revelation 4:9: "...to him that SAT ON THE THRONE, who LIVETH FOREVER AND EVER" THE BIBLE 17 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin...you're a bonafide liar. I don't say so...the primary sources do. Me myself..personally I would never think to insult you that way (smile). 16 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "isis impregnates herself on a make-shift penis that she attaches to him." Kevin J.P.
Kevin please provide a primary source that explicitly states or illustrates that Isis attaches a 'make-shift penis' to Osiris. If you cannot then you must retract the statement. If you fail to retract any statements definitively PROVEN to be false you risk being barred from this debate and all future ones in my forums (anyone who frequents my debates will tell that this is a constant in my debates, it is nothing personal whatsoever as this is how we filter out the bad info.). There is something called academic integrity. It will be adhered to in my forums. If I am PROVEN wrong I will retract my statement as it is the right thing to do as I do not wish to be responsible for spreading false information throughout our communities. I would hope would be inclined to feel the same way. We must have some standards to which we adhere, even when we sling mud, an activity I myself am even guilty of at times. 16 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "There is no ressurection as he remains LORD OF THE DEAD until this day." Kevin JP
Well Kevin your resurrection assertion has already been proven to be 100% F.A.L.S.E. Now let's DISMISS your legendary 'Lord of the DEAD' L.I.E.
EVERYONE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!!
UTTERANCE 468 903b. "Horus has caused thee to be a spirit at the head of the spirits, that thou mayest be mighty at the HEAD OF THE LIVING." THE PYRAMID TEXTS 2400 BCE
Kevin you can't even begin to imagine the 'academic ass whupp'n' I'm about to put on you (with all due respect...I mean that genuinely and sincerely so). 16 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu "i found no referrence at all saying that he was ever called lord of the living" Kevin JP
EVERYONE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!!
UTTERANCE 468 903b. "Horus has caused thee to be a spirit at the head of the spirits, that thou mayest be mighty at the HEAD OF THE LIVING." THE PYRAMID TEXTS 2400 BCE
Ok Kevin...how's "HEAD OF THE LIVING" is that better? I don't know about you but I think that will suffice for any spiritually literate person, unlike yourself of course (smile). 16 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Hey Kevin...why don't we finish this debate ON YOUR PAGE so all of your Christian comrades can watch Shakka Ahmose assist King Unas of the 6th Dynasty (2400 BC) in 'shoving his Pyramid' right down your lying christian throat? 16 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu From now on my children...when these lying Christians get at you with their Jesus nonsense...this is how you destroy their 2000 year old Jesus fantasy. This is how you bind satan...with the facts...the historical documented f.a.c.t.s. You must study harder than any creatures on this earth so that you will always be able to bind them back with ...Maat (Truth). Now as there are countless lies for us to ensnare...we shall now 'stretch the chord'. 16 hours ago · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Kevin I wish you could here the music I'm listening to as I burn your christian lies with the rays of God Ra. It is the music of sweet victory. I'll understand if you can't hear it...it's not meant for ears on the losing end. 16 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu You have OFFICIALLY LOST THIS DEBATE to me once again Kevin. You think you're gonna respond to PRIMARY EVIDENCE with quotes from someone who worked to promote Eugenics ie. white supremacy?
I'm sorry Kevin...but you will not get away with ignoring the evidence posted here without responding to it. I'm posting evidence. You either respond to it or find someone elses page to troll on. I let you go on my page for well over a week without interrupting you. I'm posting unimpeachable evidence from PRIMARY SOURCES on this page and the best you can do is 'introduce' us to Petrie as if we don't know he is:
"Whence came the invading RACE-the high caste RACE-who founded the Dynastic history? The ancient writers considered them as Ethiopians, that they came from the SOUTH; and certainly in no other quarter, Libyan, Syrian, or Anatolian, can we find an analogous people"...W.M Flinders Petrie, A History of Egypt, Prehistoric Egypt (1895).
If It was requested of me to post PRIMARY SOURCES...then god dammit...you REFUTE with PRIMARY SOURCES...or GET THE HELL OFF OF MY PAGE!!!
This is not a game...I don't have time to play with little christian boys. I put in serious time and pay dues with respect to my research. You will not lower the standards of my forums. You either REFUTE with PRIMARY SOURCES or GET... THE HELL ...ON....loser. 15 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu There's an exhibit at the Petrie Museum at this very moment expounding on Petrie's CAREER RELATIONSHIP with EUGENICIST FRANCIS GALTON (this dude is the FATHER OF EUGENICS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton . God dammit if Budge is discredited for socializing with people who wrote whatever the hell they felt like writing about...then Petrie has no voice in this forum as well:
CHECK OUT THE EXHIBIT THEY'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW CONCERNING GALTON (THE FATHER OF EUGENICS) AND PETRIE. AND THIS IS THE DUDE WHO YOURE RESPONDING TO PRIMARY EVIDENCE WITH? GET THE HELL ON.
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/museums/galton/centenary 15 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME KEVIN...IT'S P.R.I.M.A.R.Y. E.V.I.D.E.N.C.E. OR N.O.T.H.I.N.G.. NO EVIDENCE NO ARGUMENT. YOU WILL NOT BE GIVEN SPECIAL TREATMENT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU RIDE THE SPECIAL YELLOW BUS TO SCHOOL EVERYDAY. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!! 15 hours ago · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu In poker they call it 'folding'. Just say the word Kevin...say, "I fold". It doesn't matter...you've lost. You've shown no integrity whatsoever by not conceding any of your assertions (not one) definitively PROVEN FALSE BY PRIMARY SOURCES. You get no pass here. This is your last shot. Produce the Primary Evidence that refutes the Pyramid Texts, or troll someplace else. And I can assure you...I'm going to respond to each and every LIE you've posted on my page this entire week. I held my tongue when I wnated to respond so I could let you have your moment in the sun...and now you think you're going to respond with some white boys bio and that's going to dismantle PRIMARY EVIDENCE? You damn sure must've had too much of that bread and absolutely too much of that wine. Next time do like the kids do and drink the grape juice instead. 15 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu You will let me continue responding to your assertions UN INTERRUPTED by you, as you were shown that very same courtesy or you can forfeit the chance to respond with your PRIMARY EVIDENCE because at this point NOTHING LESS IS ACCEPTABLE. I am not going to repeat myself. 15 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu We are not discussing the convolutedness or the evolution of the eschatology of the Ancient Egyptians. Don't start dancing around now...simply because your earlier assertions were SUCCESSFULLY REFUTED WITH PRIMARY SOURCES AND EVIDENCE. It's much too late in the game for that now. Stick to the subject matter you sought to defend so well . You ran your mouth for almost 3 weeks straight...a week and a half of that without any interruption from me whatsoever. Now that I'm reigning Truth on dat ass you wanna pull different subject matters out of the closet. You always seem to have something else you wanna discuss instead of offering direct REFUTATION. Because you haaaaave none, 15 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu I have no problem with being respectful towards you Kevin...but you are not going to come on my page and disrespect me by ignoring what suits you when I've addressed every last assertion you've made and would continue to do so if I could avoid being interrupted by.... you 15 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Anything other than Primary evidence will be deleted from this point on. If I had to do my homework then others must earn the right to debate me. Thus far you are not worthy. 14 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Oh I'm sorry Kevin...you apparently didn't hear me when I said PRIMARY SOURCES ONLY WILL BE ALLOWED AT THIS JUNCTURE OF THE DEBATE. BEING IT WAS REQUIRED OF MYSELF, THE CHRISTIAN WHO MADE THE REQUEST ITSELF (THIS WOULD BE YOU KEVIN) IS GOING TO BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD. I'M SURE YOU AGREE. FEEL FREE TO GIVE US A HISTORY LESSON ONCE YOU'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS. 14 hours ago
Shakka Ahmose Manu Pt.1
Kevin has made it quite clear that he is incapable of REFUTING Primary Evidence WITH Primary Evidence of his own (BECAUSE HE HAS NONE!!!). Until Kevin can learn how to respond adequately and commensurately in a debate as I have sought to do from the outset, he forfeits his privilege of participating in this forum. He will be allowed to respond at any future date once he has made it clear that he will make every effort to abide by the guidelines. No one has the right to hold someone to a specific set of standards (asking for evidence of all sorts) and then proceed to push their agenda employing a completely different set of standards:
"What i'm looking for is i think what you're looking for;either the proponderance of the evidence or INCONTROVERSIAL PROOF. What would be best is a HISTORICAL RECORD which is relatively CLOSE TO THE PERIOD IN QUESTION OR AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL FIND" Kevin JP
If Kevin has the right to ask for such standards to be met, then it is only appropriate that he be held to the same standards. I more than met his requirements and the evidence he requested proved him to be a liar in the process.
1. PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE- The Pyramid Text are the oldest religious texts on earth and they are PRIMARY SOURCES as they represent as corpus of literature AUTHORED by the people of Ancient Egypt themselves. They consist of well over 700 CHAPTERS and 1000 VERSES AND ARE WRITTEN IN STONE. THIS IS 'PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE WITH PERMANENCE PAR EXCELLENCE!!! IT IS THE PROVERBIAL 'SMOKING GUN'. IF YOU CANNOT REFUTE THE TEXT THEMSELVES THEN YOUR ARGUMENT IS MUTE AND RENDERED OBSOLETE AS WAS KEVIN'S. KEVIN CANNOT 'REFUTE' THE TEXT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT 'K.N.O.W.' THE TEXT, THEREFORE HE HAS CHOSEN TO RELY ON, AND TO RESPOND WITH, OTHER PEOPLES 'C.O.M.M.E.N.T.A.R.I.E.S.' ON THE TEXTS. IN AN ACTUAL DEBATE THIS IS CONSIDERED HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR, PARTICULARLY AT A JUNCTURE IN THE PROCESS WHERE PRIMARY SOURCES HAVE BEEN REQUESTED AND SUCCESSFULLY INTRODUCED; WHY? THE PURPOSE FOR REQUESTING PRIMARY SOURCES IS TO ALLOW THE EVIDENCE TO...SPEAK FOR ITSELF. AT THIS STAGE OF A DEBATE IT IS PARAMOUNT THAT EVIDENCE BE MET WITH EVIDENCE...NOT COMMENTARY ON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED. TWO THINGS I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED ABOUT EVIDENCE, 1. IT DOESN'T NEED MY HELP OR YOURS, AS IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, AND 2. IT ALWAYS HAS THE LAST WORD. THE LAST WORD IS NOT RESERVED FOR THE PERSON WHO CANNOT RESOLVE WITHIN THEMSELVES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN 'CONVICTED' BY THE EVIDENCE. IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD BE KEVIN. MY JOB WAS TO DEFEAT KEVIN, NOT TO CONVINCE HIM THAT HE HAS BEEN DEFEATED, WHICH HE MOST CERTAINLY HAS BEEN. I'M A HISTORIAN, NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST (ONE OF WHICH I THINK KEVIN MAY BE IN DESPERATE NEED OF RIGHT NOW).
2. "INCONTROVERSIAL PROOF"- First of all the correct term that I believe Kevin was looking for is 'i.n.c.o.n.t.r.o.v.e.r.t.i.b.l.e. proof'. It's rather difficult to give someone something they can't even spell (smile). Fortunately for us all PRIMARY SOURCES SUCH AS THE PYRAMID TEXTS ARE ALL THE INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF WE NEED AS CONCERNS HOW THE PEOPLE OF ANCIENT EGYPT VIEWED THEIR OWN ESCHATOLOGY...EVEN IF ONLY FROM THE ROYAL PERSPECTIVE. THE TEXTS THEMSELVES ARE INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF, NOT SOMEONE ELSES COMMENTARY ON THEM, WHICH IS WHY I MOVED ON FROM BUDGE TO THE TEXTS THEMSELVES WHICH KEVIN APPARENTLY WAS TOO INCOMPETENT, AND INEPT TO RESPOND TO. I GUESS IT WOULD BE RATHER DIFFICULT RESPONDING TO SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT. STUDY ALONE DOES NOT IMPLY THAT ONE IS IN FACT STUDYING THE CORRECT THING AS IT IS EQUALLY EASY TO STUDY IN THE WRONG DIRECTION FOR MANY YEARS LEADING ONE EVEN FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL FACTS CONCERNING A GIVEN SUBJECT MATTER, WHICH APPARENTLY IS WHAT SEEMS TO HAVE HAPPENED TO... KEVIN.
3. THE HISTORICAL RECORD- "THE PYRAMID TEXTS ARE THE OLDEST KNOWN RELIGIOUS TEXTS IN THE WORLD" Richard H. Wilkinson, The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt, Thames and Hudson, New York, 2003, p 6
Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_Texts )
You cant get anymore 'historical record' than that. Period. Nothing even remotely similar can be said about the Bible.
4. "CLOSE TO THE PERIOD IN QUESTION"- Not only are the Pyramid Texts (from which the literature in the Bible was taken) 'close to the period in question', they are in point of fact EVEN OLDER than their presence in the pyramids of Kings Pepi II, Teti and Unas (circa. 2,400 BCE) where they are found. Observe:
"It is, however, certain that many of these texts CAME INTO EXISTENCE BEFORE the final union of Upper and Lower Egypt, and perhaps LONG BEFORE THAT DATEe, which is now put at about 3000 B.C. Indeed, some of them possibly existed in oral form BEFORE THE ART OF WRITING WAS DEVELOPED. These inscriptions together with others were after that probably written on papyrus and potsherds, many of which in time perished, the rest remaining in various forms until they were collected and incised on the walls of the Saḳḳâreh h pyramids. Evidence of a date PREVIOUS to about 3000 B.C. is seen in passages which reflect events and conditions PREVIOUS TO THE UNION of the two Lands... before the time of the first king, Menes"
The Pyramid Texts (The Introduction) Translation by Samuel A. B. Mercer
As with all that was requested of myself as is made evident by Kevin's statement (documented above for all to see), it appears as if I more than met the requirements set down before me.
5. ARCHAEOLOGICAL FIND - Hmmm lets see, THE OLDEST RELIGIOUS TEXTS ON EARTH, CARVED INTO THE WALLS OF MULTIPLE PYRAMIDS, TRANSLATED AND PRESERVED FOR ALL TO BARE WITNESS TO? UMMM YEAH...I THINK EVEN THE DUMBEST OF CHRISTIANS WOULD QUALIFY THAT AS THEE 'ARCHAEOLOGICAL FIND'. PERHAPS KEVIN IS DUMBER THAN EVEN THE DUMBEST OF CHRISTIANS. HIS ATTEMPT TO PUSH HIS 'CHRISTIAN AGENDA' DISGUISED AS AN 'ACADEMIC THRUST' IN THIS FORUM OF ALL PLACES, AGAINST MYSELF OF ALL POSSIBLE PEOPLE, PROVES HE MAY BE JUST THAT, DUMBER THAN EVEN THE DUMBEST OF CHRISTIANS.
IT BOGGLES THE MIND THAT A RELIGION THAT REQUIRES NO PROOF WHATSOEVER WOULD SEEK TO DISCREDIT THE CULTURE THAT HAS ALL OF THE UNQUESTIONABLE PROOF IN THE WORLD. TALK ABOUT SOME BACKWARDS ASS SH*T. HENCE:
"It was not so long ago, however, that the combined influence of the Bible and Classical tradition CONSPIRED to produce a rather incoherent view of Egyptian civilization..."
'Histoire de l'Egyptye ancienne (A History of Ancient Egypt), translation by Ian Shaw, 1992
This is the tradition from which comes 'Kevin Johnson Pendleton'. Unfortunately for him he ran into an unmovable Pyramid by the name Shakka Ahmose. 2 hours ago · Like
Shakka Ahmose Manu Pt.2
THE BREAKDOWN ON KEVIN PENDLETON JOHNSON:
Kevin apparently has done 'some' studying, the problem unfortunately for Kevin comes when the dialogue seeks to go in directions he has yet to be exposed to, therefore, as with all religious ideologists, his scope his unusually limited. The only way for Kevin (and Christianity itself) to stand, is by the 'Tearing Down' of that which preceded it (destruction). In modern language this is commonly referred to as a 'cover up'. Yes, Christianity did not come into existence as a process of creation, it came into existence through a process of destruction, seeking to destroy that which preceded it, that which produced it, a form of 'matricide' or more accurately, 'maternacide', the killing of one's own Mother. What did Ancient Kmt have to 'Tear Down' in order for it to stand? Absolutely nothing because it was built on Truth (Maat) itself. The only thing Ancient Kmt had to 'tear down' in order for it to exist as we have come to know it, was it's own division amongst itself....this is why the constant theme of the country was always 'union' and or 'dis-union', nothing more, nothing less. It had no need to 'Tear Down' that which preceded it, in point of fact it always sought to maintain it's identity by INCORPORATING that which preceded it....and did so openly. in point of fact it was this very incorporation that caused Egypt to reflect the composite character she reflected back at the world. I entertained Kevin in this 'debate' not because I thought he ever had a chance at winning it...I did it for two reasons, first, simply to see how well he would fight (he challenged well, but fought poorly), and as an opportunity to teach those who followed the dialogue to it's conclusion, a conclusion I still have yet to bring about. kevin was simply the antagonist I required to act as an impetus for furnishing this forum with information still so desperately needed by those seeking to know the Truth. Kevin (as with all christians) has no interest in Truth or facts , or the Truth of the facts. Kevin was simply exercising how well he could win an argument with the line, or avenue of study he has familiarized himself with. Unfortunately for him...the ACTUAL EVIDENCE proved him wrong at every turn, a simple reading of both debates will bare this out. What Kevin fails to realize is that we don't need Flinders Petrie to think for us, nor we need Budge to do likewise. Show us the texts as they have been translated and we can interpret for our selves just what was being said and thought by the people of Ancient Egypt. Kevin seeking to play high priest would even venture as far as to tell us we are not seeing what we are in fact seeing. As I am not a 'Star Wars' fan I have no time for 'Jedi mind tricks'....I've no need of them, as the 'force' (Maat) is already with me. Hotep.
SHAKKA AHMOSE \